Keshki or Kesh

It has just recently come to my attention that some are preaching the Keshki as the first Kakar. I have always had the understanding and have always been told that the first Kakar is Kesh. Could some learned soul who has some knowledge on the matter, please throw some light on the topic?
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Living Mind ji,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/738-keshki-or-kesh.html

Keshki is not a kakar. Kesh is.

For the sake of completeness of this post, there are panj (5) kakar:
1. Kanga
2. Kachha
3. Kara
4 Kirpan
5. Kesh

Purpose of 5 kakars:
1. The Kanga seeks to reflect a Sikh's purity, the Sikh's orderliness.
2. The Kachha seeks to remind the Sikh of his/her vow of not committing adultery, further to remind the Sikh of their obligations towards one - that being the husband or wife. It also reminds the Sikh of his freedom, that he is not bound by any worldly government.
3. The Kara seeks to deter the Sikh from committing any type of sin.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=738
4. The Kirpan seeks to remind the Sikh of his or her constant battle against sin
5. The Kesh not to interfere in natural process, and to be in God's will always.

I took above things from sikhnet, and the last sentence about Kachcha intrigued me, so keeping it here for further discussion here on in other thread.

Thanks.

I thank you Sevadaar Singh Ji and fully accept what you say and have posted. My concern is what some are preaching which is not in line to what is commonly known and accepted.
WGJK WGKF

Those preachers Dont know the facts.

As you rightly understand, they create more confusion than doing actual sewa.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=738

Regards.

I recently came across somebody who was apparently looking like a Sikh,except that he had come to his 'gurdwara' wearing only a black commando-style rumaal with tails(if you can visualize what I mean)and claimed that he was Amritdhari(he was wearing a big kirpaan).When I asked him why he was not wearing a Dastaar(turban)he replied that Keski is a Kakaar and Dastaar is not.He said Keski was essential,besides strict vegetarianism.He had taken amrit from Akhand Kirtani Jatha,and was following their code.So it is such break-away 'jathas'(groups) which are preaching such wrong views,which the gullible and easily impressionable,and unquestioning people are following.In fact these small jathas have even opened up their own 'gurdwaras' which are drawing away some people from standard,mainstream Sikhi.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=738
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=738

I suggested to that person that Sikh Rehat Maryada as published by SGPC was supposed to be the standard code for a Sikh,but he argued and debated about it,saying that today everybody is following their own interpretation of Sikhi.Perhaps he may have a point there,which is worth considering seriously.

The Akal Takhat should pass a Gurmata(edict) declaring a universal Sikh Rehat Maryada,and debunking all controversial interpretations by off-shoots of 'babas','jathas',etc.

IF keski is not a kakkar, then how would you all defend the French Sikhs who want to wear turbans to school...obviously it shouldnt matter to them, as it is not a kakkar.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=738

(I am in NO WAY saying it should be or is a kakkar... I am just asking how you all would defend the issue).

Turban is required to properly take care of unshorn hair... Do you think there is any other way hair can be taken care of... ?

I thank you Bharat Vir Singh Ji and further that our Holy Seat of Authority, the Akal Thakat should clarify matters.

My understanding of the matter, as Bharat Vir Singh Ji has also clarified, that Kesh is the Kakar and one of the 5 K's as ordained by our Commander-in-Chief Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The Pagri or Pugh is to keep our covered and is both a sign of respect to the one we face as is it a siegn of pride to the wearer. It is just as rude of us to sit in company with our heads uncovered as it is for someone who has his hair cut and sits in company wearing a hat!

So coming to the issue of the turban in France, as I have mentioned in a posting sometime back, I do not feel that the French Govt had or has anything against the turban. We the sikhs are the unfortunate inclusion because of the muslims who are the the main reason of the ban. Their people, especially their women who wear the burkha are the targets as these women have been used time and again as walking timebombs.

As such, substituting the Keshki, I see as a willing win-win compromise for both sides without the French govt having to give-in to the Sikh demands and be accused by the muslims of racial discrimination or double standards.

We need to cover our hair and heads and the Keshki will do the job. After all it is only applicable for primary school children. If I am wrong, I stand to be corrected.