Sikhism and Homosexuality

everybody here is trying to say that people should give away homosexuality, but is it really possible?
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can u(being straight) turn homosexual even if u try ur best?
the answer is no!!!

none of the homos can turn straight coz homosexuality is not a disorder!
There is no human that woke up some day and decided to turn gay then after, our sexuality is decided when we r born, the only thing is when do u urself come to know about it!!!
and mind it, homosexuality is not introduced by the foreigners it is present in one's mind(if it is)!!!
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Indeed, yet some people still refuse to belive this. To these I ask you to perform a simple experiment to ascertian the truth of the matter.

Try for just one day to be sexualy attracted to a member of your own gender, and them report back here how it goes.

well said, and u know this is what heterosexuals are afraid of(Thinking of them bieng attracted to same sex)!
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they just start thinking that being near a gay would affect them,and the most basic thought is that does he or she think about having sex with them.......

This is a **** thought, first of all i would like to ask the so called heterosexual boys that do u fall for any women u see? whether she's ur kind or not?
obviously not!
then why would homosexuals fall for u? Firstly They have thier own choices,and secondly they r interested in thier own kinds(homos).......so give up the feeling of insecurity and think of the topic with a broad mind and try to know more about homosexuals before abusing them!!!

Hah Hah ji,

That is quiet a general statement you have made there, I understand though what you mean. Being straight myself I have never felt this way, but you are correct some straight men do have this irrational fear.

Gurfateh

Well over here. Das is just poking his nose to tell some happening in India. Shri Akal Takhat Sahib, Hindus of RSS, Muslims and Christians are opposing the ruling of court which says homosexuality is not illegal in India.
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Das views are that they could be integrated even faith does not allow them and idiotic Arya Samaji Ramdev, one eyed Yoga Teacher who is at the forefront of Anti Gays and lesbianism should himself be treated for xenophobia(Das thinks this means fear from Humans if some other meaning is there then kindly correct it). He says that mentaly ill people are gays. Das says that with hatred toward gay or any human even sinner or offender, Ramdev himself needs treatment. His brand of Yoga has failed him.

Baba Ramdev tries to quote statements from religious and law books that homosexuality is unnatural and should be banned, and secondly in a TV show he said that we should try to convert the homosexuals into straights, then i would kindly request him to learn about the tests and thier results done on homos that say that homosexuality is not a state of mind that can be changed(sexuality can never be converted), he should first learn things and then speak about them.....on a second thought he should not speak at all,he should concentrate on what he can do best(although it doesnt work) rather than challenging nature and the laws!!!

yup, sorry for making it so general, but i meant to address those heterosexual people that start opposing homos even before learning anything about homosexuality, and majority of them do so!

Hehe very funny and a very good point.

Maybe people should watch "American Beauty" :p.

I'm a gay Sikh keshadhari man and I have always felt that it was with Waheguruji's kirpa that I'm gay. It's not a choice. It's not a sexual 'preference'. It's my identity, and it's a gift from the Akal Purakh in much the same way that I consider my hair and my limbs to be a gift from the Almighty.
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People tend to confuse the concept of Kaam with any non-procreative sexual activity, and see homosexuals as having been rejected by the Gurus due to the teachings in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Unfortunately, those individuals tend to have a very superficial understanding of what the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji actually says. Kaam is not sexual-activity in itself, but rather excessive sexual activity or excessive lust.

It must be borne in mind that procreation in itself requires 'lustful' sexual activity, otherwise it is not possible for a child to be conceived. If Kaam truly related to all sexual activity, then the Sikh ideal would be for sanyassi rather than grishti jeevan.

It is also a misnomer to believe that the concept of Kaam is something which excludes homosexuals from being Sikhs. If the Gurus had wanted to specifically state that homosexuality was wrong, they would have done so. The Koran has specific statements relating to sexual activity, including homosexual acts, and there were plenty of openly-gay individuals living in the Indian sub-continent from 1469 to 1708, including gay pirs and bhagats such as Sarmad.
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The Gurus knew of homosexuals living in their society. They didn't comment on it as sexuality in itself was not of concern. What mattered to them most was the way in which somebody lives his or her life.

There's a good website that I know of which has a number of articles about homosexuality and Sikhism - SARBAT.NET - the one-stop resource for Gay Sikhs - I would suggest that you have a read through some of them to gain a greater understanding on the issues that affect gay Sikhs in the present day.

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