Defination of Patit/Fallen from Sikhhood

vijaydeep Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 20-Oct-2005, 21:52 PM

Gurfateh

if by breaking keyborad some broken thoughts can be mended thenn it is OK.

Das promise you that till like in ture Khalsa spirt das could not caputre your mind or make you understand his view of mind das will not concede.

Sprit of Khalsa is to keep on trying till we succed.
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Here misson of das is to state ture Sikh is one who follows Guru withour a reluctance and other who have ifs and buts are not like that person.

Das would like ask any way the views of Great Sikhs who have guided worm like das to give thier views like Amarpal Singh,Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji,Tejwant Singh,Manbir Singh Ji,Plamba Ji among many others who knwo panth better then noivce like das.

Das had no persoan obejection for using other term than patit for patits but das feels that term used by Guru was sirgumm(for hair cutters) Narimar(tobacoo user) and Kurimar(for female child killer).

In fact das is aware that there are many Sikhs who are fearless and are not afraid to be intimedated by Jatts who control sgpc and want to let thier patit offspring intrued managemtn as Sahijsdharis.
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Due to thier jatthood only did Guru deprived thier youngs from Khalsahood.

Even if such people like Badalkis succed to let Patit call Sahijdharis soon they will all become Hindus.

Sikhs like Flooowers of Kala Afghana Ji,Nihungs,Taksalis or Akj people will maintain Sikhism inspite of that.Patit hood is found only in those fa,muilyies who still have caste attached to it as after leaving Sikhism they are easyly accomondated in hindusim which itself is caste.

devinesanative · #11 (**permalink**) 21-Oct-2005, 01:05 AM

A person who claims that he can explain about the following

Love , Life , God , Death

is Fool , because these can only be experienced and are based on Faith ......
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Dear Das ji , there is one problem with every human being ......

From one extreme he goes to the other extreme .............

devinesanative · #12 (**permalink**) 21-Oct-2005, 20:33 PM

Dear Vijaydeep ji

There is no dearth of People on this planet earth , Infact , in each and every step there are people who claim to mend the broken minds .......
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But there is paucity of those who can atleast mend the the broken heart ...........

If broken heart could be mended then broken mind will automatically be mended..........

vijaydeep Singh · #13 (**permalink**) 21-Oct-2005, 20:35 PM

Gurfateh

Respected devinesanative,

Our Guru realised the truth of all the stuf you call love,Life,God and death.

they were able to explain that to the world.

many people who were unable to understand them did not called them fool but mad.

There is no fault of the one who realised the truth but for the one who lacks the depth of mind to understand the truth.
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Das can recomend you to study Thre scriptures of Panth(Faith) and Akal willing you will realise what fool like das wants you to realise.

As per holy Bible being fool in God is better than being intelligent in world.

devinesanative · #14 (**permalink**) 21-Oct-2005, 20:52 PM

Dear VijayDeep ji ,

This is neither your fault nor my fault , It is a basic instinct in human being to misunderstand the other due to the egos involved .

The problem was that you got illusioned by my Pen Name "Devine Sanative" and my logo , you made a nerve out of me .......
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Many people preach daily about "Kam Krodh Lobh Moh Maya" to the others , But somewhere they also fall in the hands of Maya ..........

And far as our Gurus concerned they were really true Gurus , Let me tell you A Guru never Explains but He Enlightens .....

And our Gurus Enlightened us .

vijaydeep Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 21-Oct-2005, 21:21 PM

Gurfateh

well rember one thing here das is talking about mind which you call mann in hindi/Punjabi and as per Yoga including Raj yoga it is in heart.

Very tiny and not in brain.It is not in hand of human as we are tolls but Akal can make us mend as Akal only breaks.

The Guru enlighens you by explaining.

It could depend upon a person(ie mercy of Akal on that) weather he/she understands just by world Wahiguru or not even by Three books reading.

For das you are the form of Akal who is testing the the devotion of das towards the present manifestation(Swaroop) of Akal on earth called Khalsa.
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unlike others who say Guru on earth is Adi Guru Darbar but as per orders(Samprdayas) to which das gets inspiration Guru is in all and Khalsa is visible form of Guru which can let others also see that Guru.
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Duty of Khalsa is not to get salvation but to let other get it by realising Akal.It could be helpfull to know(by explantion) before Realising(by enlightenment) as direct enlightenment may make are person who knows only but can not explain or preach the others.

Khalsa is like torch who burns so let other get light.By mercy of Akal path(Panth) of Khalsa is easy for one with devotion or trust in what Guru says.

Here Guru is Akal,whom sent Four Vedas,Four Kateebs(Holy Bible and Holy Kuran) and then were sent our Three Holy Books to clarify the wrong interpetations of initial eight.

But alas there seems to similar attempt on our Three books.That is also be will of Akal.

kds1980 · #16 (**permalink**) 21-Oct-2005, 21:45 PM

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my defination of patit is a person who takes amrit and then breaks rehat.
if a person is born in a sikh family and he was keeping kesh and then he cuts his hair without taking amrit is not patit.he was keeping kesh for his family not because of guru.guru ji never forces anybody to take amrit.

rosethorne · #17 (**permalink**) 22-Oct-2005, 00:02 AM

WJKK
WJKF
Dear Kds 1980ji and all Gursikhs, It is a good quesation that if we born in a Sikh family then it is our duty to keep hairs for our family and not for Guru. It is really a mistaken surprise to all Gursikhs. Because till today we believed in that we are born sikh because of grace of our Guru. And my question is from where we found our present family? Are we able to born anywhere we want? What is the answer? Anyone can Say Yes to it. That means the greatest for all is Guru not our present parents. One who is born in a Sikh family is a patit if he cutsoff his/her Hairs because it is not our loyality towards GURUSAHEB, who given us such a superb life to live. We are Patit Surely.

kds1980 · #18 (**permalink**) 22-Oct-2005, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rosethorne

WJKK
WJKF
Dear Kds 1980ji and all Gursikhs, It is a good quesation that if we born in a Sikh family then it is our duty to keep hairs for our family and not for Guru. It is really a mistaken surprise to all Gursikhs. Because till today we believed in that we are born sikh because of grace of our Guru. And my question is from where we found our present family? Are we able to born anywhere we want? What is the answer? Anyone can Say Yes to it. That means the greatest for all is Guru not our present parents. One who is born in a Sikh family is a patit if he cutsoff his/her Hairs because it is not our loyality towards GURUSAHEB, who given us such a superb life to live. We are Patit Surely.

wjkk
wjkf

dear rosethrone ji i agree with you that we are born a sikh by the grace of guru and it is our duty to keep hair.but our duty is also to take amrit to live honest life ,not to run after moneyetc.are we doing this the answer is no.are sikhs diffrent from the other people.infact 99% sikhs are running after money
female foeticide dowry are very high among the sikhs.as a sikh we have to live life as mentioned in gurbani but we are not doing it.so majority of sikhs are patit whether they keep kesh or not.so just by cutting kesh aperson cannot be called patit.