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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? The SIKH GURUS NEVER attempted to ATTACH people to their ownselves/bodies etc...that is why there is no "Guru History" in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji written by the Gurus. Its all about the CREATOR...How to FIND HIM..and How to attain HIM..and what is the RESULT of attaining HIM or Failing to do that. Each successor GURU moved on to a new place, spreading the MESSAGE....Guru Angad LEFT Kartarpur of GURU NANAK and the Sangats left along with him...Guru Amardass Ji left Khadoor sahib and went to GOINDWAAL..and the sangats followed....and so on..Finally by the time Harmandar sahib/darbar sahib/Amrtisar was established..the UPDESH or GURBANI had been compiled into the POTHI SAHIB and Parkashed. Guru ARJUN JI..the "Human Body Guru" STOPPED seating himslef at PAR with the POTHI SAHIB..and sleeping on a "bed" but BELOW the POTHI SAHIB to show the REAL GURU is the UPDESH and NOT the Body (deh). Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/5584-ranjit-singh-dhadrianwale-sikh-preacher-fake.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5584
The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji fits the Bill for the Perfect satgur, poora satgur becasue it has no HUMAN FAILINGS..it needs no foods, no baths and no massages, no seva of rubbing its tired feet etc etc which a human body needs and relishes (sants LOVE this esp if the Bibis do it and hence the SCANDALS ). EACH and every word in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..POINTS like a SIGNBOARD at the CREATOR..exactly what the 10 living human Gurus TAUGHT and collected from previous sants and bhagats like Kabir Ji, farid Ji etc..visible proof that ATTAINING HIM is not the speciality/perogrative/privilege of any caste/region/race/rich/poor/status/royalty/beggar..etc etc...and every HUMAN BORN is entitled to learn how to attain HIM and attain HIM in PRACTISE !!
Its Commonly said ( by those who beleive in dehdharee gurus and sants babas mahapurahss) that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji cannot speak..cannot convey its message..cannot walk about etc etc..) This are FALLACIOUS arguments dhuchars !! On the Contrary..I would say the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji cannot molest any female.male follower..cannot rape any female follower, cannot insult nayone, cannot scold anyone,,cannot murder anyone, cannot refuse to be present and open to be read at any time any place by anyone, cannot grab your property, cannot rob and plunder its followers, cannot be jealous..cannot curse and swear...cannot take away your food and water..demand respect..demand gifts......SO ALL THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS of a HUMAN are BEYOND the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..BUT the POSITIVE ASPECTS are ALL PRESENT....hence the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the PERFECT GURU of all time that Guru nanak ji GIFTED US via Guru Arjun Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji in all wisdom. The poorest of the poor can go to any Gurdawra, sit beside the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, open and read to his hearts desire..and not pay a single cent...futtee kauddee..TRY THAT with a Dhadrianwallah or Pehova Vallah and see what happens ???
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11-Jun-2011, 15:07 PM
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| | | | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh ..and not pay a single cent...futtee kauddee..TRY THAT with a Dhadrianwallah or Pehova Vallah and see what happens ??? | Actually I have, on many occasions, and no one demanded any futtee kaudee. Just katha and love of the Guru. | 
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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? It is very easy to open a showroom in the name of GURU . Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5584
It is just impossible to do so in the name of GUR.
So we should think of connecting ourselves with the GUR of GURU Granth Sahib Ji.
Such showrooms would get automatically closed.
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11-Jun-2011, 16:00 PM
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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Such persons clever only.We establish them as enlightened and that is why they are there. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5584
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11-Jun-2011, 16:29 PM
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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Quote:
Originally Posted by Breeb Actually I have, on many occasions, and no one demanded any futtee kaudee. Just katha and love of the Guru. | Breebji,
I have only seen the one video of this preacher, and watching people touch his feet, in my humble view, makes me feel very uneasy about what exactly he is preaching. Did not Guru Nanak say that anyone who worshiped him would be on the wrong path, clearly here this does not apply...... | 
11-Jun-2011, 16:35 PM
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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Quote:
Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga Such persons clever only.We establish them as enlightened and that is why they are there.
Prakash.s.bagga | I disagree ji, I think they are enlightened, I think that they have pursued that enlightenment with a personal agenda, and they have obtained it, although not 100% enlightenment, they clearly know enough tricks and smoke and mirrors to abuse that power. The one thing that these people could not, didnt want to, or have not conquered is the ego. | 
11-Jun-2011, 16:52 PM
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| | | | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Who amongst us has conquered ego? You? Me? Who?
The reason why people despise Ranjit Singh is that he turns people to Gurmat and to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and they do not like this. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Do we not touch the feet of our mother and father ? Do we not touch the feet of our grandparents? Do we not touch the feet of some old relative who comes to our house? Even though that old person may be have no jeevan at all and may be a boozer still we touch his feet out of respect. Then why the who-haa about touching the feet of a Gursikh? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5584 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=5584 Sikhs flock to those Gursikhs who are honoured by the Guru but manmukhs despise this, they cannot stand this, rather then put their own house in order they go on the jealousy offensive and ruin what little they have......... carry on my friends, carry on. | | The following member appreciates Breeb Ji for the above message. | | 
11-Jun-2011, 17:37 PM
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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Quote:
Originally Posted by Breeb Who amongst us has conquered ego? You? Me? Who?
The reason why people despise Ranjit Singh is that he turns people to Gurmat and to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and they do not like this. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Do we not touch the feet of our mother and father ? Do we not touch the feet of our grandparents? Do we not touch the feet of some old relative who comes to our house? Even though that old person may be have no jeevan at all and may be a boozer still we touch his feet out of respect. Then why the who-haa about touching the feet of a Gursikh? Sikhs flock to those Gursikhs who are honoured by the Guru but manmukhs despise this, they cannot stand this, rather then put their own house in order they go on the jealousy offensive and ruin what little they have......... carry on my friends, carry on. | Guru Ji wrote in Sukhmani Sahib..Manukh ki TEK birtha jaan...to depend on a HUMAN is BIRTHA..useless.
Note: this tuk stands by itself...even the entire shabad/pauree/ashtpadee says the same thing. It means a HUMAN CANNOT save us..cannot accompany us to jamraaj Court where we will be judged..only His Naam does that and Naam is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.. so Carry on touching human feet carry on...to each his own...i would rather read Gurbani and Vichaar the Shabad instead of hearing two liner JINGLES called Dhaarna to replace Gurbani... | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
11-Jun-2011, 17:48 PM
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| | | | | Re: Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake? Quote:
Originally Posted by Breeb Who amongst us has conquered ego? You? Me? Who?
The reason why people despise Ranjit Singh is that he turns people to Gurmat and to Guru Granth Sahib Ji and they do not like this. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Do we not touch the feet of our mother and father ? Do we not touch the feet of our grandparents? Do we not touch the feet of some old relative who comes to our house? Even though that old person may be have no jeevan at all and may be a boozer still we touch his feet out of respect. Then why the who-haa about touching the feet of a Gursikh? Sikhs flock to those Gursikhs who are honoured by the Guru but manmukhs despise this, they cannot stand this, rather then put their own house in order they go on the jealousy offensive and ruin what little they have......... carry on my friends, carry on. | Breebji, no i have not conquered ego, but then I am quite honest about my own failings, and more importantly, I am not trying to pass myself off as a Baba.
Yes, I still touch my parents feet, and they bless me, and my wife, however, that is because they are my parents and I see god in them. You could argue that people see god in this baba, well, if they do, than the baba is failing in his duty as a man of god, it is his duty to rectify this situation and point people towards the almighty in themselves, not worship the god within the baba.
Any sikh can find the way without a baba, because each individuals journey varies with different life experiences, the only person that can guide you to the creator is yourself. Yes, you can take on board ideals and philosophies from other people, and they may inspire you, but in the end, it is a journey with only two people on it. You and the Creator.
With enlightenment comes wisdom, I am surprised that this Baba does not have enough wisdom to realise the public perceptions that he is encouraging with what could well be his only failing, his ego, as you yourself have already admitted, however, human nature teaches us that if it looks bad, smells bad, it probably is bad, and suddenly that one failing is on top of a list of much more serious failings. If you want to put yourself up there, might it make sense to ensure you are as clean and holy as you can be, and try and be careful with what you choose or refuse to condone | 
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