Lessons from God - What happens when we die? - Where could we go? - What is attachment & detachment?

LESSONS FROM GOD- The Soul, Death, & Attachment & Detachment- Nov 2008
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.Satnaam Waheguru Sat Naam Waheguru

My close friend, a fellow Pilot died in Oct 2008, I noticed that his soul a month later was still hanging around Biggin Hill Airport.
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This was not right, we did some prayers and asked God to allow his soul to be taken to Heaven!
Baba Nanak appeared and said, "Amarjit, George is not yet ready to ascend, when he is ready God will intervene and take him to Heaven."
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I replied, "Why not Babaji, he was one of the nicest man, he did much charity work & was full of love Why did you leave him as a lost soul?".
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Babaji then waved his hand and a dimension opened up and this scene was played to us :

We saw George's soul leaving his body and ascending
up the Astral plane with 2 beautiful angels in white.



The Angels unfolded their wings and said, "George we have been assigned to take you to your next abode, you have passed over - you have left your mortal body".
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We saw George looking at the angels and we were also shown his energy attachments to all his possessions, his cars, aircraft, wife & Family. He replied "Who are you, I do not know why you have come for me I am still alive - I have not passed over Go Away!"
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From the earth plane suddenly came this huge cry, from his family, his possessions, his aircraft, his cars, Don't leave us George!"
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George said to the Angels, "How can I leave my family, my wife is waiting for me to look after her, I am booked to fly my aircraft, I have to police the streets of Croydon, polish my cars, etc . Go away can't you see I am busy go away."
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The Divine Angels tried twice more, then we saw them crestfallen, sad they folded their wings and said " We have to go and see the other souls, maybe we will have better luck with the next one, Today has not been good, only a few souls have ascended. Most of them have been so entrenched in their material possessions, they fail to realize they have died, their eyes do not even recognize us!"
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The scene faded and we were back in Biggin Hill.
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I asked Babaji " George was a good man, religious, he was promised that if he chose his religion, at death he would automatically go to heaven, why has this not happened ?"
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Baba spoke " Amarjit, Its not automatic that one ascends to the correct astral Plane, The Angels are there to take you, however one has Free will & Attachments & Temptation, which pull you back to the lower planes. Which is why, you must practice Attachment and Detachment. Do not be too attached that when your time to Passover comes you fail to recognize this.
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Goerge does not realize he has died, his spirit/soul is in Limbo, he has become a Lost Soul. As a Discarnate spirit he has limitless energy, he can affect his family and still try to control them...especially when realization comes to him that he is not being noticed, in extreme cases the spirit becomes angry & a poltergeist.
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This is one of the main problem on the earth plane at the Moment. Too many spirits and ghosts inhabiting in people
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This is why the scriptures say , "Practice Attachment & Detachment" otherwise we may fail to see the angels coming to take us!
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Satnaam Waheguru


Amarjit


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Amarjit Singh Bamrah ji "GOD" does not give lessons and lead you by the nose. Creation is all that is done. You make what you want of it.

What you expect to get out of a mix and match belief system? Your own custom combo religion and how you possibly are going to convey what you believe in? It is hard enough to do so within the confines of a single religion regardless of good or bad.

Just quoting books and throwing book titles around is like walking in to a bookstore religious or like section and dishing out titles. If you have read the books perhaps summarize in your own word what you take away. That will attract more interaction and create more learning for all.
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I see you have also thrown in Radhaswamis into the mix too. Don't eat meat or eggs and you will go to heaven or find God. What nonsense from people whose history is based on cheating the villagers around Beas, cheating on Sikhism by using the name to start and then walking away when lands were duly transferred in title, etc. When something grows from garbage it will have a hard time shaking the smell of garbage. What turbaned traitors who don't allow prakash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Dehrah Beas now that they have established and secured lands built through trickery. It is hard to believe that people still buy or cling to such for guidance. Such people must be pretty desparate to get some limelight as dehras are great at patting you on the back, stroking your ego, giving you nice place to stay.

I realize they don't take money from people and all the buildings and Niwas for leadership came about as a volcanic eruption and suddenly shaped itself to look like forts and buildings.

Sat Sri Akal.

ਇਕ ਦਝਹਿ ਇੱਕ ਦਬੀਅਹਿ ਇਕਨਾ ਕੁਤੇ ਖਾਹਿ॥
ਇਕਿ ਪਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਉਸਟੀਅਹਿ ਇਕਿ ਭੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਹਸਣਿ ਪਾਹਿ॥
ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵ ਨ ਜਾਪਈ ਕਿਥੈ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਹਿ॥
ਸਲੋਕ ਮ: 1 ਪੰਨਾ 648--
Guru nanak ji on Page 648......"Some get eaten by dogs and wild animals (Parsees leave their dead to be eaten by vultures)..some are buried deep in the earth ( eaten by worms bacteria etc) some are thrown in flowing waters....OH Nanak..NO ONE KNOWS where they ALL end up Finally ...


ਹਮ ਆਦਮੀ ਹਾਂ ਇੱਕ ਦਮੀ ਮੁਹਲਤਿ ਮੁਹਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ॥
ਨਾਨਕੁ ਬਿਨਵੈ ਤਿਸੈ ਸਰੇਵਹੁ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਜੀਅ ਪਰਾਣਾ॥
ਧਨਾਸਰੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ ੬੬੦— Guru nanak ji on Page 660...We humans are dependant on just ONE BREATH...if the one that went IN..doesnt come OUT..we are DEAD....IF the One that just exited..doesnt have its replacement come IN..we are DEAD...and no one knows the exact time/period this process will stop.


ਮਾਤ ਗਰਭ ਮਹਿ ਆਪਨ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਦੇ ਤਹ ਤੁਮ ਰਾਖਨਹਾਰੇ॥
ਪਾਵਕ ਸਾਗਰ ਅਥਾਹ ਲਹਰਿ ਮਹਿ ਤਾਰਹੁ ਤਾਰਨਹਾਰੇ॥
ਸੋਰਠਿ ਮਹਲਾ 5 ਪੰਨਾ 613— Guru Arjun ji on Page 613..in the mothers womb..the EMBRYO BREATHES via his MOTHER...the moment it is Born..it starts breathing using the lungs...


ਜੈਸੇ ਜਲ ਤੇ ਬੁਦਬੁਦਾ ਉਪਜੈ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਨੀਤ॥
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ਜਗ ਰਚਨਾ ਤੈਸੇ ਰਚੀ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਨਿ ਮੀਤ॥
ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੪੨੭— Guru teg bahadur Ji page 1427...As the BUBBLES fill up with AIR..rise above the ocean...and BURST ..releasing the AIR and returning to the WATERS..so is this WORLD....all LIFE rises as a bubble..full of air..bursts..and returns to the ocean...again and again...NO Bubble ever needs to be sent to HEAVEN/HELL...neither any bubble cmae form another world..neither does it go anywhere else...
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ਘਟ ਘਟ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਜੂ ਬਸੈ ਸੰਤਨ ਕਹਿਓ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ॥
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਹ ਭਜੁ ਮਨਾ ਭਉ ਨਿਧਿ ਉਤਰਹਿ ਪਾਰਿ॥
ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੯ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੪੨੭— Guru teg bahadur Ji Page 1427..Just as the Bubbles contain the AIR and the waters..so does each life contain the "Creator's Gunns and attributes"....and those who follow and adopt these attributes go across the ocean..

ਤੇ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਹੋਰ ਸਮਝਣ ਲਈ ਕਿ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਜੋਤ ਸਾਰਿਆਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੈ ---
ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਮਹੀਅਲਿ ਪੂਰਿਆ, ਰਵਿਆ ਵਿੱਚ ਵਣਾ॥
ਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ, ਕਿਤੜਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਗਣਾ॥
ਮਾਝ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ –ਪੰਨਾ ੧੩੩--
Guru Amardass Ji explains in such a simple way..OH Human..YOU came into EXISTENCE due to the Mixing of AIR and WATER..and YOUR EXISTENCE is WITHIN THIS EXISTENCE..ON THIS WORLD...not anywhere outside...other worlds ..other heavens ..other hells...

ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਸੌਖੇ ਤਰੀਕੇ ਨਾਲ ਸਮਝਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਭਈ ਹਵਾ ਪਾਣੀ ਦੇ ਸੁਮੇਲ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਹੋਂਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਇਆ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਏਸੇ ਹੋਂਦ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਹੀ ਤੇਰੀ ਹੋਂਦ ਸਾਕਾਰ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ----
ਸਾਚੇ ਤੇ ਪਵਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਪਵਨੈ ਤੇ ਜਲੁ ਹੋਇ॥
ਜਲ ਤੇ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣੁ ਸਾਜਿਆ ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮੋਇ॥
ਸਿਰੀ ਰਾਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੯-- Guru nanak Page 19

ਬੰਦਿਆ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਅਸਲੇ ਦੀ ਪਹਿਛਾਣ ਹੋਣੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ ਸੀ ਪਰ ਤੂੰ ਕਰਮ-ਕਾਂਡ ਦੇ ਚੱਕਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਉਲ਼ਝ ਕੇ ਰਹਿ ਗਿਆ --- YOU have FAILED to REALISE your MOOL..your BEGINNING..your EXISTENCE....and become entangled in karam kaands rituals False beliefs of heavens and hells souls going and coming...

ਸਾਕਤ ਨਿਰਗੁਣਿਆਰਿਆ ਆਪਣਾ ਮੂਲੁ ਪਛਾਣੁ॥
ਰਕਤੁ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਕਾ ਇਹੁ ਤਨੋ ਅਗਨੀ ਪਾਸਿ ਪਿਰਾਣੁ॥
ਪਵਣੈ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਦੇਹੁਰੀ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਸਚੁ ਨੀਸਾਣੁ॥
ਸਿਰੀ ਰਾਗ ਮਹਲਾ 1 ਪੰਨਾ 63--

ਰਕਤੁ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਕਰਿ ਨਿੰਮਿਆ ਅਗਨਿ ਉਦਰ ਮਝਾਰਿ॥
ਉਰਧ ਮੁਖੁ ਕੁਚੀਲ ਬਿਕਲੁ ਨਰਕਿ ਘੋਰਿ ਗੁਬਾਰਿ॥
ਪਉੜੀ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਪੰਨਾ ੭੦੬—
ਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਰਕਤ, ਪਿਤਾ ਦਾ ਵੀਰਜ ਤੇ ਪੇਟ ਦੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਐ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਤੂੰ ਉੱਗਿਆ ਸੈਂ, ਤੇਰਾ ਮੂੰਹ ਹੇਠਾਂ ਸੀ, ਗੰਦਾ ਤੇ ਡਰਾਉਣਾ ਸੈਂ, ਇੰਜ ਲੱਗਦਾ ਸੀ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਤੂੰ ਹਨੇਰੇ ਨਰਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਪਿਆ ਹੋਵੇਂ। ਨਵੇਂ ਸਰੀਰ ਦੀ ਹੋਂਦ ਤਿੰਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਸੁਮੇਲ ਤੋਂ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ। Mothers EGG...Fathers Sperm...encased in the fires of the womb..you came into EXISTENCE...hnaging upside down.looking quite ugly suspended as if in dark hell....YOUR new Body came into existence due to the presence of three things..

ਜਦੋਂ ਮਾਂ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਤੇ ਪਿਤਾ ਵੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ ਤਾਂ ਓਦੋਂ ਇਹ ਜੀਵ ਆਤਮਾ ਕਿੱਥੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਸੀ? -- ਰਕਤੁ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਕੀ ਮੜੀ ਨ ਹੋਤੀ, ਮਿਤਿ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਪਾਈ॥ When there was NO MOTHER...and NO FATHER...WHERE WERE YOU ??

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਿਤਾ ਜੀ ਸਮਝਉਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਓਦੋਂ ਆਤਮਾ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਸਦਾ ਬਹਾਰ ਨਿਯਮਾਵਲੀ ਭਾਵ ਹਵਾ ਦੇ ਰੂਪ ਵਿੱਚ ਰਹਿ ਰਹੀ ਸੀ – ਨਾਭਿ ਕਮਲੁ ਅਸਥੰਭੁ ਨ ਹੋਤੋ, ਤਾ ਨਿਜ ਘਰਿ ਬਸਤਉ ਪਵਨੁ ਅਨਰਾਗੀ॥ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦਾ ਵਿਕਾਸ ਹੋਇਆ ਤਿਵੇਂ ਤਿਵੇਂ ਸਰੀਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਹੋਂਦ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਉਂਦੀ ਗਈ। ਇਹ ਸਾਰੀ ਖੇਢ "ਤਾ ਨਿਜ ਘਰਿ ਬਸਤਉ ਪਵਨ ਅਨਰਾਗੀ" ਭਾਵ ਪਵਨ ਅਨੁਰਾਗੀ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਨਾਲ ਹਵਾ ਵਿੱਚ ਵੱਸਦਾ ਸੀ। YOU WERE IN THE AIR...according to the Unbending Laws of Nature...

ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਬਾਰ ਬਾਰ ਕਹਿ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਐ ਬੰਦੇ ਤੇਰੀ ਹੋਂਦ ਮਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਪਿਤਾ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਹੀ ਉਤਪੰਨ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ---
ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ਉਪਾਏ ਰਕਤੁ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਮਿਲਿ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਕਰੇ॥ Why is Guru Ji stressing again and again...YOU are the RESULT of the MOTHERS EGG and Fathers SPERM ??? Because the HUMAN BODY is the most vital part of this equation....

ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੦੧੩—
ਇਸ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਹੋਰ ਖੋਹਲਦਿਆਂ ਹੋਇਆਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਫਰਮਾ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ----
ਮਾ ਕੀ ਰਕਤੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਬਿਦੁ ਧਾਰਾ॥
ਮੂਰਤਿ ਸੂਰਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਆਪਾਰਾ॥
ਜੋਤਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਜੇਤੀ ਸਭ ਤੇਰੀ ਤੂ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭ ਠਾਈ ਹੇ॥ 4

ਰਾਗ ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੦੨੨- Page 1022

ਅਤੇ --
ਬਿੰਦੁ ਰਕਤੁ ਮਿਲਿ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਸਰੀਆ॥ ਪਉਣੁ ਪਾਣੀ ਅਗਨੀ ਮਿਲਿ ਜੀਆ॥
ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੦੨੬— maru page 1026

--- ਉਸ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੀ) ਪਿਤਾ ਦੇ ਵੀਰਜ ਦੀ ਬੂੰਦ ਤੇ ਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਪੇਟ ਦੇ ਲਹੂ ਨੇ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ (ਮਨੁੱਖਾ) ਸਰੀਰ ਬਣਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ। ਹਵਾ ਪਾਣੀ ਅੱਗ (ਆਦਿਕ ਤੱਤਾਂ ਨੇ ਮਿਲ ਕੇ ਜੀਵ ਰਚ ਦਿੱਤੇ।
ਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਰਕਤ ਤੇ ਪਿਤਾ ਦੇ ਬਿੰਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਜ਼ਿਉਂਦੀ ਹਰਕਤ ਹੀ ਨਵਾਂ ਸਰੀਰ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰ ਸਕਦੀ ਹੈ। ਜੇਹਾ ਕਿ ਫਰਮਾਣ ਹੈ ----
ਗਰਭ ਅਗਨਿ ਮਹਿ ਜਿਨਹਿ ਉਬਾਰਿਆ॥
ਰਕਤ ਕਿਰਮ ਮਹਿ ਨਹੀ ਸੰਘਾਰਿਆ॥
ਮਾਰੂ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੦੨੬—
ਭਾਈ! ਜਿਸ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੇ (ਜੀਵ ਨੂੰ) ਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਪੇਟ ਦੀ ਅੱਗ ਵਿੱਚ ਬਚਾਈ ਰੱਖਿਆ, ਜਿਸ ਨੇ ਮਾਂ ਦੀ ਰੱਤ ਦੇ ਕਿਰਮਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ (ਜੀਵ ਨੂੰ) ਮਰਨ ਨਾਹ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਉਸ ਨੇ (ਤਦੋਂ) ਆਪਣੇ (ਨਾਮ ਦਾ) ਸਿਮਰਨ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਕੀਤੀ।
ਸੋ ਇਹ ਸਮਝਿਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਆਤਮਾ ਕੋਈ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਭੱਜੀ ਫਿਰਦੀ ਨਾ ਹੀ ਕਿਸੇ ਅਸਮਾਨ ਤੋਂ ਹੇਠਾਂ ਇਸ ਨੇ ਆਉਣਾ ਹੈ। ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦੀ ਬਣੀ ਹੋਈ ਕੁਰਦਤੀ ਨਿਯਮਾਵਲੀ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੀ ਉਤਪਤੀ ਹੋ ਰਹੀ ਹੈ। ਹਾਂ ਮਾਨਸਿਕ ਕੰਮਜ਼ੋਰੀਆਂ ਕਰਕੇ ਤੇ ਮਾਨਸਿਕ ਤਲ਼ `ਤੇ ਹੀ ਅਸੀਂ ਕਈ ਜੂਨਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਰ ਰੋਜ਼ ਦਿਨੇ ਰਾਤ ਭਟਕਦੇ ਰਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਾਂ। AS and when the Air gases and waters etc came into existence..as the earth evolved and matured..so did LIFE come into EXISTENCE....and MAN is the LIFE when we are given the ability and competence to FOLLOW and ADOPT the Good qualities and attributes of the Creator for the Common Good......we DIE and are RE-BORN many many times on a Daily basis living and dying in our hankaar ego pride etc...

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I do not think Amarjitji is attempting to change what death means to a Sikh, it is just another viewpoint from his perspective, which he has made quite clear is not Sikh, I feel that although we may not agree with it, there is no point arguing with it, it is just another information stream to be aware of, so we should thank him for his views and focus on what is in common with what we believe in.

Taken as a story of life experience it made interesting reading, now we need to move forward in the same way we do with anyone whose views we do not agree with, be they Muslim, Hindu or a combination of all.
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Again, I do not think the man is looking for an argument, and I think he knows very well that his view is contrary to what many believe in, but its his view, and surely we can respect it without agreeing with it

Amarjit ji

A nice interesting read. I do actually understand the message you are trying to give us.
It is somewhat difficult to explain and even so, more difficult for many to understand.

The attachment and detachment you mention is an important factor that we don't consider.
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I believe the theory of why souls or spirits linger around and have no place to go.
Even though I don't think it mentions this directly in the Guru Granth Sahib.

But I'm sure we can't learn everything from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji but can learn enough. The rest is taught to us through the paths we walk our life.


Sat kartar
Lucky Singh

Luckyji

I am sorry to see that you have managed to prove me wrong. It is extremely interesting, no doubt, and I also understand the message, do I believe it? absolutely not! I am more than happy to give due respect to anothers thoughts, but that does not mean I have to embrace them as the missing link that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji forgot to mention.

Other more enlightened members of this forum feel the need to fight tooth and nail so that certain views are not given a platform in order that people contemplating Sikhi do not get confused or sidetracked, I feel we must respect all views, even if we do not embrace them.

To say that we cannot learn everything from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a gross insult, it intimates that there are large blanks that we can fill in using such theories, this is wrong, there are no souls lingering around with no place to go in Sikhism, no souls, no ghosts, goblins, spirits, nothing, and certainly no blanks, choose your path wisely my friend, or you may find yourself a jack of all trades and master of none

In these dimensions are many elemental and
spirit creatures).

10	ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਸੂਕਰ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਾਚ ॥ Ka▫ī kot bẖūṯ pareṯ sūkar marigācẖ. Many millions are the evil nature-spirits, ghosts, pigs and tigers. ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ Ka▫ī kot pāṯāl ke vāsī. Millions upon millions are the dwellers of the under-worlds.

Click here: Sukhmani - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.

Harry ji

Satnaam Waheguru. For the last 15 years or so Babaji has showed me many times we have other dimensions around us.

The veil between our and other dimensions is very thin.

This is why we have to be careful of our Kam Krodh Lobh Moh Hankar
as we when we give into temptation the Veil breaksdown allowing other beings to enter into our forcefield. (aura!

Amarjit

Anyone who even remotely considers himself a Sikh (much more if Singh)....CANNOT even think that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..our GURU is "incomplete..cannot teach us everything..cannot lead us through life..is NOT suitable enough...whatever.."
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38108
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38108
That is the Grossest INSULT anyone can lay at Guru Jis Charan...Guru Ji may forgive such a thought..because after all He is all forgiving and compassionate and merciful..but a fellow Sikh/Singh cannot ever stomach such esp if it comes form another sikh/singh.
This is WHY the Bhatts wrote such poetry comparing Guru ji to the Earlier Avtaars..of Satyug, Dwaper, etc etc...because those Avtaars were less "Sampooran"...only GURU NANAK Ji is Sarab kala Sampooran..ALL COMPLETE. btw The Sikh GURU is NOT an Avtaar also.....because Gurbani REJECTS such man made titles as is clearly stated in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
I may sound Harsh..but its MY GURU thats being chided as Incomplete/not good enough for "everything" etc...and thats not acceptable to me. MY GURU Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is fully complete and fully capable of teaching me everything i need to know.

Amarjitji

I have been a pig, snorting up copious amounts of substances, I have been a ghost, lost to the world in my own daze of what I felt was reality, and I have been a dweller of the underworld, so engrossed in maya that I lost sight of the real world.This quote from Sukhmani Sahib is being distorted to scare people with stories of ghoolies and ghosts, they do not, to my mind, confirm the existence of other worlds.

Having said that, I say tomato, you say tomaeto, to you these may seem like different dimensions, to me they are a state of mind, each to his own

You say
when we give into temptation the Veil breaksdown allowing other beings to enter into our forcefield. (aura!


I say

When we give into temptation we distort our perception of the reality around us

tomato!