Lessons from God - What happens when we die? - Where could we go? - What is attachment & detachment?

I was talking in a literal sense. I didn't learn E=mc2 directly from the Guru Granth Sahib, but from following Einstein's work.( who was by all means given his ability with the blessings of the creator)
What I stated was that the other things we learn to condition ourselves in our own distinct paths of life come to us in the directions that we take our steps. Just like a kid learns to ride a bike or learn to swim.

Everything we need to learn about life including its purpose is all there in the ultimate guide left to us 'the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji', which I did state is 'enough'. But all the rest, the practical things, including as kids-how we learnt to eat, drink, urinate etc etc.. is all handed to us as we proceed in our paths.
Of course, this is all in order of the creator for our welfare and well being.
The origins and foundations to everything, always trace back to the infinite creator.

Lets try to not go off track here dissecting each others dialogue.
But, focus on the title and the original subject the post is about.


Sat kartar
Lucky Singh

 
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Lets try to not go off track here dissecting each others dialogue.
But, focus on the title and the original subject the post is about.
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that would be a first

Amarjit ji

I say yet again, I do understand what you are trying to say in the original post.
It is in your own style of writing and all of us each have our own different styles.

I think that after getting into the swing or wavelength of the others style it becomes easier to get their message.
Maybe its just me? I'm not sure, although if I don't get the message, then I will say.
I have studied nearly all my life and even did graphology along the way, perhaps it's that?

Getting back to the topic.

What happens when we die?
I did at one time often question- 'is this life all there is?'
What is the real purpose of why i'm here? because everything that I would look at around me be it trees,insects, fruit, nature they each and all had their very own purposes. This often got me wondering that why me, just myself among all fellow humans is my purpose??

Thankfully, I don't wonder about these things any more, well maybe just a little at times.
It has all been thanks to the faith. The Guru Granth Sahib still keeps on giving me more answers. Waheguru.

Talking to many others, I'm aware that the interest in knowing what happens when we discard our body like a shell is vast among us.

Perhaps, knowing what could happen makes the individual a better being?

Lets say, I can commit crimes here with confidence of not getting caught. But, knowing that after my death, I may have to face the lord and I may be begging for forgiveness.
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Just knowing this, could infact stop me taking any action to commit crimes, even though I may be a professional crime lord.

What I'm trying to say is that -YES, knowing can be of benefit. However, NOT KNOWING may be of benefit as well, - as one would try and maximise their achievements in this life span.
Having the 'we are not supposed to know' attitude could even be beneficial.

I think that what ever we think we know or believe is always going to do some GOOD- as long as it brings out the BEST OF US in one way or the other.

With my upbringing as a child I was taught about going to heaven, angels, the lord, gates of heaven, St Peter, etc. (from christian influence).
In all honesty whether it was christian or not, it taught me and bought out the best of me grew into this world.
As a child, knowing that if i'm good the angels will protect me, certainly influenced the making of my character today.

To me personally, I never think that this life is all there is. I feel that death is just the beginning NOT the end. Just to have the belief and awareness that after death, I can have the chance to unite with God providing I have lived this life the accepted, intended and pleasing way. This simple motive gives me everlasting hope and awareness.

I also feel that it is just attachments that give us all a fear of death.
ie. fear of leaving loved ones, how will they cope ? How much estate the goverment taxes will take off the family?-- ALL attachments that in our minds we have attached great importance to.

According to the hukam of God, I believe we all have our own distinct times mapped out by the lord. Not knowing this date and time should encourage us all to make the most of each day.
We should also try to control our holds over the attachments.
This is the part that does sometimes get me thinking. Let me be a little clear-

Having control over the attachments, be it our immediate family. Let's say my kids and my partner. How do I exactly draw the line, if any, of how attached I am to my blood family? Being prepared to detach is sometimes not imaginable. I mean Guru Gobind Singh actually knew that in the name of faith he would be detached from his sons Ajit,Jujhar,Zorawar and Fateh Singh. All young and loveable to him.
Guru Gobind Singh ji set us the ultimate example, but still we are too weak, not many of us could detach from our children in the same manner.

Not forgetting he lost his father in the same manner.
I'll be honest, I could never make such a difficult decision so as to sacrifice my kids.
Having that example should be goals that we could all aim for.

Getting back, I was trying to say, that we are also to show love to all mankind.
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God doesn't expect us NOT to love our children. But, where do we draw the fine line between attachment/detachment and love?
This is my concern. Because having love results in attachment.
Or are we supposed to have love with no or minimal attachment somehow??

I would appreciate some views and thoughts.

Sat kartar
Lucky Singh

Luckysing Veer ji some thoughts.

Physically something like the following,


Veer one has to differentiate between “being better” versus “being best”. One comes from fear and the other comes from love and gratitude. The latter is ever refreshing and long lasting.


Committing crime and God/Creator are separate issues. Creator only impacts through creation and is not sitting in a separate palace deciding your fate after death and taking count of good and bad you did.

Committing crime and dealing with creation is the short answer. It is the creation all around which is self regulating in such instances.

Veer ji uniting with God is a falsehood as a physical or virtual concept.

Imprinting on the creation is reality. Guru Nanak Dev ji is imprinted on millions of lives, that is uniting with God/creator. Guru Nanak Dev ji is as alive as he was for those who never met him face-to-face during his physical life time. This is uniting with God/creator. There are many other examples in like manner.


So one has to strive to be one of the best that you can be and leave the rest with creation to so recognize.
Veer you have cited a wonderful example. What brings strength in such situations? Hard to say as everyone is different. The fundamental aspect is seeing it as part of living.

The most important that I feel in this regards is the legacy that you impinge on others. What was that mother Theresa left behind? A concept that embodied what was possible in selfless service.

Veer there is nothing wrong with love and attachment. What one has to recognize and reconcile with is that we and all transform all the time. One can have love and attachment but if one has trained self to allow transformation to make changes and be at peace with such, then you have enjoyed the fruits as well as reconciled the fall season.

So more important than getting rid of the beauty of life, attachments or no attachments is to develop and build abilities to accept ever continuing change.

Just some thoughts.

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambersaria ji

Many thanks for approaching these awkward questions with that phraseology and manner.

It makes me realise that sometimes we should all change our bearings when we can't seem to get any answers or feel like we are up against a brick wall.
Your quote above about developing and building abilities to 'ACCEPT EVER CONTINUING CHANGE' is one of the interesting lines that I have come across lately.

It makes me realise that so many individuals in this world self inflict suffering, pain, resentment, guilt, depression etc...... as a direct result of REFUSING TO ACCEPT continuing change.
The remedy sounds simple, but its easier said than done.


Waheguru
Lucky Singh

I too applaud you Ambarsaria Veerji

We all have to be open to changes.
If only everyone thought this way the world would be a better place.

We must respect everyone which is what Guru Nanak Baba teaches us.

Everyone is correct in the way they think for they look at the
situation their own way.

Judge not lest ye be judged comes in my mind

Satnaam

amarjit

Luckyji

What you actually said

I believe the theory of why souls or spirits linger around and have no place to go.
Even though I don't think it mentions this directly in the Guru Granth Sahib.

which is not quite the same as what you are currently intimating, I do not make a habit of dissecting others posts, but I feel a responsibility to point out misleading information, this subject is covered in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and is not the same as how we eat or urinate, my point was that in attempting to see a different point of view, we must be careful we do not give validation within Sikhi to concepts that do not belong in Sikhi, and I will carry on doing so to protect the religion that I love from being watered down to the lowest common denominator

Amarjitji,

As you have very kindly quoted me, I feel I must respond to your post. I am not going to criticise you for it, as you are a man of all religions, and as such, the message of your post is very simple, one should have no attachment to any other than God.

However, there are two aspects that bother me, which I will outline

1. This post appears all over the internet and has been posted on various forums, however, on other forums Guru Nanak ji has been replaced with Sai Baba, again, not a problem, you follow all religions, but the sort of ritual and Vedic undertones could not be ascribed to Guru Nanakji as he fought and advised against them, I know not what Sai Baba tought, as I am a Sikh, but I sure know that Guru Nanakji would not read this and agree with you, as this post advocates reincarnation, ghosts, previous lives, effects of previous lives etc, I know this is a Sikh forum, but I think I and many others would prefer to see you use Sai Baba as you have on other forums so that concepts that our Gurus advised against are not lauded on their name.

2. I know of no man who has had a conversation with God, other than messiahs, I know of no man who has seen God, who has interacted with God as you appear to do so on a regular basis, Shall I tell you why?, because certainly in Sikhism God has no form, no light shows, no large TV, We rely on our faith in Creator and Creation with no magic tricks or light shows, I put it to you Sir that your faith is grounded in these light shows and conversations, they are enough to convert even the most hardened atheist, so it is no surprise you are converted, the rest of us have to make do with nothing but the words of our living Guru to direct us and sustain us, it hardens your faith, it is unshakeable, would your faith be as strong if Babaji stopped visiting you and found something better to do with his time? Would you still believe if you had no visits? I would appreciate your answer on this one.
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You are welcome to your view Veerji, and I will respect it, however, as you have decided to interact with us, I would appreciate your answers so I may learn more about the message you are attempting to foist on us.

Respect Peace, I look forward to your answer
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Come on Harry Haller ji you are being too hard on Veer Amarjit Singh Bamrah ji. He is only trying to share his confusion and mis-direction with or without a motive.

Is the Sai Baba same guy who used to produce Gold Chains out of thin air, that is what the followers were led to believe. Apparently he had a stash of these in his armpit and a bit of slight of hand. A magician billionaire, just tells you how much darkness exists out there. Harry veer ji I keep telling you to start a religion/Dehra and it will be more profitable than a computer shop . We can ask for Amarjit Singh Bamrah ji to be part of the team to do our mis-leading advertising by cutting and pasting. I hope Amarjit Singh Bamrah ji should be big enough to receive turd in return for turd.

Say yes please!

Sat Sri Akal.