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Old 14-Nov-2011, 23:51 PM
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Sat Sri Akal ji.

Whats your view on this ? There are fanatic views spread by Congress people on TV that this is a ploy of RSS or BJP to destabilize the government. The Law that is being asked for by Anna team is on the lines of ICAC in Hong Kong.

It has transformed that country by putting corrupt people behind bars. Are we that Sick minded people that believe that any person working for no gains must have some hidden agenda ? That is said to be a Servant Attitude, since we have been serving British for so long that it has creeped into our mentality.



 
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Sat Sri Akal ji.

Whats your view on this ? There are fanatic views spread by Congress people on TV that this is a ploy of RSS or BJP to destabilize the government. The Law that is being asked for by Anna team is on the lines of ICAC in Hong Kong.



It has transformed that country by putting corrupt people behind bars. Are we that Sick minded people that believe that any person working for no gains must have some hidden agenda ? That is said to be a Servant Attitude, since we have been serving British for so long that it has creeped into our mentality.

Dilgeer ji,

Guru Fateh.

What odds do you give to this demand by Anna to become the law of the land and how long will it take?

If it is passed, is there a recourse to the Supreme court by those who oppose it?

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh
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Re: Do you believe Anna Movement would effect change in current Political System in India

The laws are all there. The hard problem is enforcing people to follow the laws. Asking everyone they are supposed to do what they have to do. By just having a law, that laws should be implemented perfectly, is a fallacy in itself.
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I suggest that anyone seen taking bribe should be shot dead. I know that is draconian. But pass the law. I know it will not be passed. But I believe it would be vEry effective. Trust me.
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I suggest that anyone seen taking bribe should be shot dead. I know that is draconian. But pass the law. I know it will not be passed. But I believe it would be vEry effective. Trust me.
GIVER and TAKER...BOTH should be SHOT DEAD. Thats FAIR.
WHY should the Giver escape ?? NO supply no demand...

2. what guarantee that such a LAW will be ENFORCED ?? ha ha..just like the other thousand and one laws that read like the Thousand and One Arabian Nights Tales...(Fairy Tales enjoyment sake)
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any guesses on what will be the population of INDIA after ALL the Bribe Givers and Takers have been SHOT DEAD ?? LOL.............it will be a LONELY PLACE !!!
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Re: Do you believe Anna Movement would effect change in current Political System in India

Ji Gyani ji, it will also solve India's population problem!

And people are so fed up with corruption, they might execute the laws themselves
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Re: Do you believe Anna Movement would effect change in current Political System in India

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Dilgeer ji,

Guru Fateh.

What odds do you give to this demand by Anna to become the law of the land and how long will it take?

If it is passed, is there a recourse to the Supreme court by those who oppose it?

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh
SSA Tejwant Singh Ji.

What made you say Anna wants to be Law of the Land ? Well, Right to Information(RTI) Law took a fight of 10 Years and 8 Fasts unto death by Anna in Maharashtra and then In Delhi, in absence of Media pressure and widespread campaign. Its anybody's guess how much time it will take to pass. More importantly, We have to say how much strong bill is passed. Bcoz, it is just going to be suicide for Congress. Cases from the times of Nehru would be taken up and those who have airports and statues in their names would be politically finished.

In terms of recourse, Judicial system is too slow to respond as of now. There are provision to declare a particular law as hurting fundamental right or being Unconstitutional ?

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I believe you are saying as first hand information(as having studied those laws) or is it bcoz our politicians or popular tv channels are saying this ? If either of two exists, then I shall put a few words here, affirming that I am no expert on this but have been exploring of late on this. To curb corruption, Our law Makers have different agencies, starting with Anti-corruption section of the concerned department of which the corrupt officer is employee, Central Vigilance commision, CAG, CBI anti-corruption Wing. Now, Lets Say, A police officer s of current law commits corruption, some officer reports it, Police department itself wont take any actions on it rather settle the issue some sort of monetary of political influence. If it gets through due to media pressure or like, It shall be investigated by CBI anti-corruption wing, which is devil's advocate as has been seen of late. If you demand independent enquiry, Central Vigilance Commission(CVC) would do it but its report is considered only advisory and not binding. If officer is found to be corrupt by CVC, Police dept in our case would tell CVC, "Thanks, we would take appropriate action". From CBI, you cannot get anyone to have a fairer enquiry. Rather, it is used for political vendetta or to curb movements like Anna's. As they did for Kiran Bedi, they sent people to booking agents and took history of last 4 years and posted it anonymously to Indian Express.


So Jist of the matter is that in Proposed JanLokpal, we can get an independent enquiry without need of anyone's approval and whistleblower would be kept anonymous, as many as 13-14 activists have been killed over past 1-2 years working on RTI.

I guess all those who have replied are not hopeful of the movement and would like to see from the side and would rather like to go with the current system. It seems to be so.
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There is one conspicuous result of Anna Hazare Movement that people got stirred in mind about Corruption. I am sure this is going to yield some good results but it may take a pretty long time.It would be better to wait till next general elections.There are always some good people at the helm of affairs and as law of nature nothing goes for ever the things would definitely change.
Corruption is a very deep rooted problem related to past history of the politics of this area and no one should expect it to go at once in a present scenerio of democratic set up of India.
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Let us always hope for the best and be positive.It is obvious that any such movement which is connected with the finacial interests will be subjected to derailment by the self interested persons.And its true direction will always remain under attack.But we should be interested in final resuts.

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