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Sadh Sangatji,
Waheguruji ka Khalsa Wahjeguruji ki Fateh,
We see that in Gurdwaras managed by Nihangs it is a common practice to prepare Sukhha and distribute it as Deg. It is made from Bhang leaves and is highly intoxicant.
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It may have certain merits or demerits but Khalsaji, question is that is preparation and consumption of Bhang in Gurdwaras allowed as per Sikhi ? Is it OK to call it Deg? Is it offered in Ardas ? I think that all types of Nasha is forbidden in Sikh way of life.
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From historical records that I have come across noted that Deg/Bhang were useful during or before a battle. In a state of mild intoxication with higher than usual adrenaline in the body's pain receptors are affected. However, I have not been able to validate this claim with any scientific research.
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From historical records that I have come across noted that Deg/Bhang were useful during or before a battle. In a state of mild intoxication with higher than usual adrenaline in the body's pain receptors are affected. However, I have not been able to validate this claim with any scientific research.
bawa Ji..are you implying that our Martyrs and sikh soldiers etc who fought in Battle against greatest of odds..like in Chamkaur..or Saragaarrhi etyc etc were HIGH ON BHANG...and their pain receptors were comatose ?? Guru Arjun ji sat on the Hot Plate...Bhai Mati dass was sawed alive...were they on Bhang ??
I think NOT...GURBANI has its own POWER.
Such nashas are for Cowards....who are also braver in crowds...
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Absolutely not, that is not what I am saying. While many leaders/soldiers may not have taken Bhang or anything else, But history is person's point of view and it is almost never objective. Was I there during the time of the wars- No! But being a Sikh also requires me to investigate information and check and re-check its validity. The same applies to Guru Arjun ji sitting on a hot plate. I was not there to verify that, I only have someone else's records to go by. I have books in my possession that suggest that Guru Arjun ji was made to sit on hot desert sand, but again nothing to go by other than opinions. Since none of the information can be truly verified then all that is left is FAITH. And if your faith gives you strength then- excellent. But for me I need something more than Faith.
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Personally I think I would need the bhang,to calm me down or else I would need something to speed me up for running!
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It is used in some Ayurveda medicines for stress management and high BP. But it is mixed with so many herbs and not taken alone. Sukha can not be taken as medicine or Deg/Prasad in Gurdwaras. If you like it then take it in your house. Using intoxicants in Gurdwara or coming to Gurdwara under effect of Alcohol/Bhang or any other intoxicating agent must be banned
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All intoxicants are forbidden for Sikhs-no exceptions, no excuses. Full stop. If Gurbani is not enough for you then that shows a need to work on spirituality. The Guru's and the shaheeds had reached the chardi kalla state of connection with Akaal Purakh so they did not need external substances-they were brave, tolerant, just and able to withstand pain within themselves. We cannot compare ourselves to them until/unless we reach the stage also.
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All intoxicants are forbidden for Sikhs-no exceptions, no excuses. Full stop. If Gurbani is not enough for you then that shows a need to work on spirituality. The Guru's and the shaheeds had reached the chardi kalla state of connection with Akaal Purakh so they did not need external substances-they were brave, tolerant, just and able to withstand pain within themselves. We cannot compare ourselves to them until/unless we reach the stage also.
Khalsaji you are 100% right. But can any body or our SGPC ban Sukha in all Gurdwaras? I was watching a video clip on You Tube which was showing mass production of Sukha by Nihangs in some Gurdwara. It was not a pleasant show.
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