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badshah ji take the chip of your shoulder a bit. Are you affected by so called division and based on your tones I assume it is negatively affected you. I am sorry on behalf of the Sikh panth for your hurt.

What a mis-leading "Thread Title". Sikhs don't have castes they have clans/creeds. There is a huge difference. Clans are respectful of their cultural heritage (language, social networking, common interests in life subjects) and lifestyles more than anything else. They may get a superiority complex but that goes with the territory as soon as more than one person creates a group. No group will say they are mee too and will justify their qualities while showing deficiencies of others.

It is a basic need in Humans to associate. The most favorable associations are where they don't have to make many assumptions and are not in a "la La Land" of unknowns. Say you and I may belong to different Clans and our thoughts and dealings may be different as a result. Hypothetically I may have a superiority complex (condascending write-ups focussing on commonalities) and you may have an inferiority complex (defensive write-ups focusing on differences) and vice versa.

Sikhism teaches us that "each one is unique and same" at the same time. One cannot have a better guiding concept as a guiding light.

Sat Sri Akal.
"I am sorry on behalf of the Sikh panth for your hurt."

Singh, why are you apologizing for a Hindu created system?

I see where you have taken this and that is to clan/creed level, in other words Hindu stock vs non-hindu stock

"Sikhs don't have castes they have clans/creeds"

Ummm, if you say so......

"so called division"

What do you mean so called division, its really does exist and no I do not have a chip on my shoulder but as you may realisie that you may bring up your children and show them that all are equally in Sikhi but within Sikhi we are divided because of caste, you end up shooting yourself in the foot

Its almost better to not play by the rules and play dirty yourself




 
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I am not saying an entire group is required to fund but still 1 or 2 indivisuals cannot fund an entire movement.I used to read posts on old jatt world and their was hardly any jatt from India on that site.Almost all were from west so site may be created an individual but those who were contribuiting were from west.

What i was trying to say was reply to your question that What caste is doing in west.May be in west people become insecure about their identity whether it is Religious or caste based so that could be one of the reason they choose to become castist.It is just What I am assuming may me I am wrong.
I think people cling onto caste in the West more so at the high caste level is because if you look at the general public we are not all rich, living lavishly etc etc and so caste gives you a false crown on your head

Caste is no more than a false good feeling, its a bit like a Chelsea supporter talking down on a Manchester City supporter but yet they are the same thing if they take off their supporting shirts
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"I am sorry on behalf of the Sikh panth for your hurt."

Singh, why are you apologizing for a Hindu created system?

I see where you have taken this and that is to clan/creed level, in other words Hindu stock vs non-hindu stock

"Sikhs don't have castes they have clans/creeds"

Ummm, if you say so......

"so called division"

What do you mean so called division, its really does exist and no I do not have a chip on my shoulder but as you may realisie that you may bring up your children and show them that all are equally in Sikhi but within Sikhi we are divided because of caste, you end up shooting yourself in the foot

Its almost better to not play by the rules and play dirty yourself
Badshah ji I am trying to point out that Sikhs don't have a traditional Hindu garbage caste system transported into Sikhi. They have practice of clans protection which is quite different. I seen some dialog/videos of great discrimination and I do not condone those and I wish people will wisen up. Again I generalized and these statements will fail a you-me test.

The clans are a massive institution around the world including the West. In the West the commoners are ignored till they cross a line and giving people a false sense of equality.

Sat Sri Akal.
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