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"She is a very humble, warm and a forgiving person. Her brother was killed in the 1984 anti-Sikh pogroms but she has no sense of anger in her," says Khushwant Singh. The one occasion when she lost her cool was in 1999 when Manmohan Singh lost the parliamentary elections from South Delhi. She thought the people handling his campaign could have done better.
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And mrs Manmohan singh lost her cool when Manmohan singh lost election,perhaps her husbands winning a mp election is much bigger loss to her than loosing his own brother.
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Pride and anger are two of the Five Thieves.

Why place stock in such destructive emotions?

Faith in God's Will is the only way to lead a contented life.
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And mrs Manmohan singh lost her cool when Manmohan singh lost election,perhaps her husbands winning a mp election is much bigger loss to her than loosing his own brother.
Do you honestly doubt for even a second that Mrs. Manmohan Singh experienced impossible pain when her brother died?

She has dealt with the experience and tried to move on.

The fact that someone saw her get upset in a fleeting moment when her husband failed to win an election is hardly equivalent to years of dealing with the death of a loved one.

Next you'll be saying she's never allowed to laugh again, else she doesn't care about her dead brother.
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Do you honestly doubt for even a second that Mrs. Manmohan Singh experienced impossible pain when her brother died?

She has dealt with the experience and tried to move on.

The fact that someone saw her get upset in a fleeting moment when her husband failed to win an election is hardly equivalent to years of dealing with the death of a loved one.

Next you'll be saying she's never allowed to laugh again, else she doesn't care about her dead brother.
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The fact is her brother was killed and not died a natural death.Most probably his killers either Sajjan Kumar or Tytler. If we apply the same logic of Mrs Manmohan singh then I am sorry all those people in world that are fighting for justice should move on instead of Fighting for Justice.The fact is her husband is in the same party and sitting with the same people that killed her brother. This is not called moving on but death of self-respect which Manmohan singh and his wife is showing.
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The fact is her brother was killed and not died a natural death.Most probably his killers either Sajjan Kumar or Tytler.If we apply the same logic of Mrs Manmohan singh then I am sorry all those people in world that are fightimng for justice should move on instead of Fighting for Justice.The fat is her husband is in the same party and sitting with the same people that killed her brother.This is not called moving on but death of self respect which Manmohan singh and his wife is showing.
Thanks for the welcome back.

Politics is always about operating in a bed of snakes. If you ask me, it takes a truly brave man - a true Statesman - to overlook personal emotions and to commit oneself to the greater good.

The Mughal Emperor was responsible for the death of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's entire family. And yet, with the death of his two eldest sons still seared into his eyes, the Guru wrote the Zafarnama to the Emperor in an attempt to create peace and a better world for everybody.

Did Guru-ji lose self-respect by doing this?

Not at all.

You see, normal men are paralysed by anger, pride, attachment, lust and greed. But great men are not. They are willing to carry out the mission no matter what emotional obstacles lie in their way. They are willing to deal with their worst enemies if it means a chance for the human race to be better off tomorrow than they were yesterday.

Manmohan Singh is a beacon of everything it means to be a true Sikh. He is calm where others burn with fury. He is insightful where others cannot see past the colour red. And he uses tact and diplomacy where others would have one itchy finger circling the hilt of their kirpan.

If you ask me, the Sikh community would do well to learn from the example set by Manmohan Singh -- instead of trashing him as some sort of traitor because he isn't 'angry enough'.
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Politics is always about operating in a bed of snakes. If you ask me, it takes a truly brave man - a true Statesman - to overlook personal emotions and to commit oneself to the greater good.

The Mughal Emperor was responsible for the death of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's entire family. And yet, with the death of his two eldest sons still seared into his eyes, the Guru wrote the Zafarnama to the Emperor in an attempt to create peace and a better world for everybody.

Did Guru-ji lose self-respect by doing this?

Not at all.
Guru gobind singh ji also sent Banda Bahadur to take revenge from wazir Khan.Guru ji also
did not take Khalsa movement back .Guru ji or any other Khalsa never asked for any Jagir
which any Mughal or muslim ruler could had given to them.Please tell me is Manmohan or his wife doing 0.1 % work to get justice for 1984 victims.Manmohan singh these days have lot of power as media do respect him so he can do something if he really wants.

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You see, normal men are paralysed by anger, pride, attachment, lust and greed. But great men are not. They are willing to carry out the mission no matter what emotional obstacles lie in their way. They are willing to deal with their worst enemies if it means a chance for the human race to be better off tomorrow than they were yesterday.
What mission Manmohan singh is carrying? Just sitting on the PM seat so the day Sonia Gandhi ask him to leave he will bow and say yes maam.

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Manmohan Singh is a beacon of everything it means to be a true Sikh. He is calm where others burn with fury. He is insightful where others cannot see past the colour red. And he uses tact and diplomacy where others would have one itchy finger circling the hilt of their kirpan.

If you ask me, the Sikh community would do well to learn from the example set by Manmohan Singh -- instead of trashing him as some sort of traitor because he isn't 'angry enough'.
Yes Manmohan is Calm.Infact He is so Calm that One minister under him took 1.76 Lakh crores and despite knowing everything he did nothing.This is true example of being a good human or a good Sikh.Am I right?
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Guru gobind singh ji also sent Banda Bahadur to take revenge from wazir Khan.
My understanding is Guru Gobind Singh Ji never gave the command to seek "revenge" for his family. Nor does it make any sense that he would.

My understanding is that, after Guru-ji's passing, Banda Singh Bahadur killed the executioners of the two youngest Sahibjade, taking revenge of his own accord. But Bahadur failed his mission -- Wazir Khan eventually captured Bahadur and mutilated his children in front of him.

I'm sure Guru Gobind Singh Ji told Banda Singh Bahadur to wage war against Wazir Khan. But not as a personal revenge mission.

The Guru would never be so selfish.

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Please tell me is Manmohan or his wife doing 0.1 % work to get justice for 1984 victims.Manmohan singh these days have lot of power as media do respect him so he can do something if he really wants.
Why hasn't Manmohan Singh put this at the top of his political agenda? Maybe it's because he is concentrating on building a glorious future instead of dwelling on the gory past.

Also, Manmohan Singh does not operate in a vacuum. To mobilise such a 'justice movement' would depend on the people below Manmohan Singh.

And if Manmohan Singh ever used his position to launch a Sikh-centric crusade from his seat as PM, there would be severe repercussions for the entire Sikh community. No longer would we be perceived as the honourable face of all India. Instead, we would be marginalised once again. Untrusted. As we were in the days of Bhindranwala.

The last 20+ years of progress in restoring the image of Sikhs would be under threat.

Every action has a reaction. And anger blinds us from seeing the obvious.

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What mission Manmohan singh is carrying? Just sitting on the PM seat so the day Sonia Gandhi ask him to leave he will bow and say yes maam.
You're talking about the man who single-handedly saved India from bankruptcy. And when the Americans offered him a high paying job in the United States, he told them to shove it. He was an Indian and he was going to devote his service to India.

That's his mission.

Manmohan Singh may not be one of those Sikhs who talks as loud as he belches, but that doesn't mean he's weak. He has more resolve and more patience than you can possibly imagine.

This isn't the kind of man who bows his head and says, "Yes ma'am."

He's the kind of man who works hard while others talk hard, and never asks for any recognition.

Sonia Ghandi may be the voice and the muscle. But Manmohan Singh is the brain.

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Yes Manmohan is Calm.Infact He is so Calm that One minister under him took 1.76 Lakh crores and despite knowing everything he did nothing.This is true example of being a good human or a good Sikh.Am I right?
Corruption is endemic in Indian politics. It is a filthy pool. Impossible for one man to clean.

But Manmohan Singh himself remains the lotus flower floating above the filth, wearing his turban for all to see, protecting the image of Sikhs as being the honour of India.
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My understanding is Guru Gobind Singh Ji never gave the command to seek "revenge" for his family. Nor does it make any sense that he would.

My understanding is that, after Guru-ji's passing, Banda Singh Bahadur killed the executioners of the two youngest Sahibjade, taking revenge of his own accord. But Bahadur failed his mission -- Wazir Khan eventually captured Bahadur and mutilated his children in front of him.

I'm sure Guru Gobind Singh Ji told Banda Singh Bahadur to wage war against Wazir Khan. But not as a personal revenge mission.

The Guru would never be so selfish.
http://www.sikh-history.com/sikhhist...ors/banda.html

At a durbar held at Nander about the middle of September 1708, the Guru conferred the title of Bahadur on Banda and invested him with full political and military authority as his deputy to carry on the national struggle in the Punjab and to punish Wazir Khan of Sarhind and his supporters. He was supplied with a standard arrow and a drum as symbols of temporal authority. He was given an advisory council of five devoted Khalsa: Baj Singh, a descendant of the family of third Guru, Amar Das, his brother Ram Singh, Binod singh, who descended from Guru Angad Dev second Guru, his son Kahan singh and Fateh Singh. Twenty five soldiers were given to him as his bodyguard. A prescript called Hukumnamah or a letter of authority in the handwriting of the Guru instructing Sikhs to join Banda Bahadur in his national war against Mughal tyranny was provided. As an insignia of his temporal authority invested in him, Guru gave Banda Bahadur his own sword, green bow and Five arrows from his quiver. Three hundred Sikh cavaliers in battle array accompanied Banda to a distance of eight kilometers to give him final send off.

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Here is the Sikh history of Banda bahadur ,and for you kind information Wazir Khan was killed by banda's army.But if you want to mould sikh history according to your thinking then
I can't say anything as these days people just love to impose their views on sikhism with some ,shabad Saakhi or anything.

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Why hasn't Manmohan Singh put this at the top of his political agenda? Maybe it's because he is concentrating on building a glorious future instead of dwelling on the gory past.
Well forget about top of agenda he has not done anything for justice .Is it fair for PM
not to give justice to people that were victims of worst genocide in independent India.

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And if Manmohan Singh ever used his position to launch a Sikh-centric crusade from his seat as PM, there would be severe repercussions for the entire Sikh community. No longer would we be perceived as the honourable face of all India. Instead, we would be marginalised once again. Untrusted. As we were in the days of Bhindranwala.
Where am I saying that he should launch sikh centric crusade,I am just asking about justice for 1984 victims.If asking for justice means launching sikh centric crusade?
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You're talking about the man who single-handedly saved India from bankruptcy. And when the Americans offered him a high paying job in the United States, he told them to shove it. He was an Indian and he was going to devote his service to India.
If you want to Give credit then please also give credit to Narsimha Rao as No finance minister can take decision independently .I don't understand why people forgot Rao .If today's govt do some excellent work then would we give credit to manmohan singh or we will give credit to Pranab mukhergee who is present FM now.

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This isn't the kind of man who bows his head and says, "Yes ma'am."

He's the kind of man who works hard while others talk hard, and never asks for any recognition.
It is an open fact in India that he is yes maam man that is the only reason he was offered
PM ship O/W There was no reason for Sonia Gandhi to offer him post of PM.
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Maybe it's because he is concentrating on building a glorious future instead of dwelling on the gory past.
Could you please point out what glorious future he is building from past 6 years

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Corruption is endemic in Indian politics. It is a filthy pool. Impossible for one man to clean.

But Manmohan Singh himself remains the lotus flower floating above the filth, wearing his turban for all to see, protecting the image of Sikhs as being the honour of India.
Yes corruption is Filthy pool but if he is allowing it to happen under his face then he is no different from other leaders.Just look at Nitish Kumar who won by 4/5th majority in Bihar
.He was given a state which was full of corruption ,crime and hopeless ,but he single handedly turned the table.In recent election the results were so shocking for everybody ,
people were surprised to see that even muslims voted for BJP who is alliance partner their
because they want to see him as CM of state.This is we call a true leader on the other hand look at India Food grain rotting in godowns and food minister is busy in managing cricket.manmohan Singh can't do anything,CWG scam,adarsh society scam,2g spectrum scam,and recently LIC scam.Yes Manmohan singh is truly building a future
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