How could fish die by eating the prashad in Darbar Sahib? ਜੇ ਮੋਟੇ ਢਿੱਡਾਂ ਵਾਲੇ ਜੱਥੇਦਾਰ ਕੜਾą

spnadmin · #10 (**permalink**) 07-Oct-2010, 20:21 PM

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Originally Posted by harmanpreet singh

hi admin , but no fish died before 2005( before installing filter ) . this problem can be sorted out by more frequent JAL change from sarovar .

prior to installment of filters , JAL in sarovar used to be stand still , calm , very beautiful upside down image of Golden Temple in sarovar formed due to reflection of Sunlight especially on evenings

now due to outlets of filters inside Sarovar , Jal came out with a force , create movement /vibration of Jal , Which results in distortion of Calm saturated image as shown below ,

harmanpreet singh ji

Thanks for this information about the filtration system. I guess the bottom line is going to be a who knows until an expert can take a look. Many thanks again.

spnadmin · #11 (**permalink**) 07-Oct-2010, 20:33 PM

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Originally Posted by findingmyway

Someone mentioned in another thread that no fish died before 2005. Could they be dying due to old age too? That can't be avoided!!

These two posts were misplaced in another thread and I have moved them both and their replies. Thanks for pointing this out.

Astroboy · #12 (**permalink**) 08-Oct-2010, 01:17 AM

If the parshad forms an oil film on the water surface, the fish will deplete the oxygen in the water in no time. That's how fish can die from parshad contamination. Maybe they are putting too much ghee.

Mai Harinder Kaur · #13 (**permalink**) 08-Oct-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by findingmyway

Someone mentioned in another thread that no fish died before 2005. Could they be dying due to old age too? That can't be avoided!!

I looked this up. The average life span of koi is 25-35 years, and they have been known to live up to 200 years!

It's not old age.

Here are some FAQ about koi. http://users.vcnet.com/rrenshaw/asahi1.html

Number 9 - "Koi get along well with goldfish or other tropical fish; as long as the other fish aren't aggressive or small enough to eat" - gave me the giggles.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #14 (**permalink**) 08-Oct-2010, 17:09 PM

isnt this solid proof that its just WATER...and ...POLLUTED water to boot. IF it can KILL FISH..how can it SAVE YOUR SOUL ???....Harsh reality....the SAROVAR is simply for BATHING and washing..the REALGURU is GURBANI which has to be followed in SPIRIT as well as PRACTISE...to CHANGE OUR LIFE....or GURBANI already told this..Mendak naveh..FROGS BATHE ALL the time..24/7 365 days..so they must be the ones being SAVED ?? along with the FISH..ha ha ha

who have to DIE first....when Gurbani wnats us to be JEEWAN MUKT..LIVING and being SAVED...

Tejwant Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 08-Oct-2010, 22:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

isnt this solid proof that its just WATER...and ...POLLUTED water to boot. IF it can KILL FISH..how can it SAVE YOUR SOUL ???....Harsh reality....the SAROVAR is simply for BATHING and washing..the REALGURU is GURBANI which has to be followed in SPIRIT as well as PRACTISE...to CHANGE OUR LIFE....or GURBANI already told this..Mendak naveh..FROGS BATHE ALL the time..24/7 365 days..so they must be the ones being SAVED ?? along with the FISH..ha ha ha

who have to DIE first....when Gurbani wnats us to be JEEWAN MUKT..LIVING and being SAVED...

Gyani ji,

Guru Fateh.

Well said. We have become the frogs of the sarovers. Sadly to notice that how much Hindutva is ingrained in us. Thanks to Jaskeerat who was 10 in 2000 when I took both her and Trimaan to India and of course to Darbar Sahib for opening my eyes for this nonsensical Hindu ritual that we Sikhs are immersed into, literally and metaphorically speaking.

I have a question to ask those who visit Darbar Sahib or have news about it from closer grounds. Some years ago a Sikh family who owns a trucking company in California paid for the restoration of sarovar with new paint and a modern filtration system.

What happened to those improvements?

Tejwant Singh

Soul_jyot · #16 (**permalink**) 08-Oct-2010, 23:06 PM

Guidance from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: ( Pana 962)

ਪਉੜੀ ॥

pourree ||

Pauree:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/32494-how-could-fish-die-eating-prashad.html

ਨਾ ਤੂ ਆਵਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਘਿਣਾਵਣੇ ॥

naa thoo aavehi vas bahuth ghinaavanae ||

No one can bring You under control, by despising the world.

ਨਾ ਤੂ ਆਵਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਬੇਦ ਪੜਾਵਣੇ ॥

naa thoo aavehi vas baedh parraavanae ||

No one can bring You under control, by studying the Vedas.

ਨਾ ਤੂ ਆਵਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਈਐ ॥

naa thoo aavehi vas theerathh naaeeai ||

No one can bring You under control, by bathing at the holy places.

ਨਾ ਤੂ ਆਵਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਧਰਤੀ ਧਾਈਐ ॥

naa thoo aavehi vas dhharathee dhhaaeeai ||

No one can bring You under control, by wandering all over the world.

ਨਾ ਤੂ ਆਵਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਕਿਤੈ ਸਿਆਣਪੈ ॥

naa thoo aavehi vas kithai siaanapai ||

No one can bring You under control, by any clever tricks.

ਨਾ ਤੂ ਆਵਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਦੇ ॥

naa thoo aavehi vas bahuthaa dhaan dhae ||

No one can bring You under control, by giving huge donations to charities.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32494

ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਤੇਰੈ ਵਸਿ ਅਗਮ ਅਗੋਚਰਾ ॥

sabh ko thaerai vas agam agocharaa ||

Everyone is under Your power, O inaccessible, unfathomable Lord.

ਤੂ ਭਗਤਾ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਤਾਣੁ ਤੇਰਾ ॥੧੦॥

thoo bhagathaa kai vas bhagathaa thaan thaeraa ||10||

You are under the control of Your devotees; You are the strength of Your devotees. ||10||