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Old 06-Jun-2010, 04:39 AM
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It is true our elders can be very wise, but why are they still stuck in thinking the caste system is right? Our Guru's clearly showed us that we are all human beings, and are equal in the eyes of God. So why do we not all see eachother as equal ourselves? I believe it is up to our generation to really have a deep understanding of Sikhi and to make sure we teach this message to as many people as we can. Lets demolish the caste system like our Guru's wanted. After all we're all equal, right?



 
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

IF the elders cant let go....why do the YOUNGSTERS still Hold on to it ?? Afterall..the elders are already having one leg in the river..the YOUNG have the FUTURE in hand....
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/30838-our-elders-can-very-wise-but.html
But i Find that the YOUNG also have this caste ghost riding on their shoulders...read all those JATT WORLD types of Forums...Ramgarriahs Castles, Ravidassis Sansaar, Kamboj Dunia.CHIMBAS take out full page adverts in newspapers..matrimonials of caste ridden people....etc etc...and its the YOUNGSTERS...as the "elders" are not that computer savvy....all the members are actually TEENAGERS...and the STINK OF CASTE from thsie FORUMS...is really stinky...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30838

Its a NEGATION of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for a sikh to be caste conscious...
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

You make a very good point, but I can only think that the reason the youth these days do have these types of forums and still hold onto the caste system, must be because they have grown up and been taught by their families. A great deal of famililes still teaching their children to stay away from other castes, and becoming angry if they don't. This was not the message our Guru's taught us. I really think it's time we stopped labelling eachother and to see who the person is underneath. I believe the longer we accept the caste system, the further away we're getting from the TRUE meaning of Sikhi, as it is based on equality for all, no?
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

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Yes many youngsters are also stiil crippled by cast sistem. But any how I am very pleased by this thread. I 16 years old coming up with a thread against caste system is very promising. With this type of views from the young generation we can still see aray of hope to end the caste system. Good thinking Jasminaandhu, keep it up
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30838
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

Because they accepted Sikhi but not completely. In Sikhi there is no such their is no such thing as caste system. Our guru's completely eliminated it. But the same part is that our elders are not still willing to accept that. Those who study gurbani and aware of it will agree that there is no such thing as caste.
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Old 07-Jun-2010, 18:02 PM
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

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In gurbani there is no place for the caste system. Lot of people read gurbani but how many % of those understand the message of gurbani. This is not the fault of masses, the fault lies with our preachers, kirtaniyas and kathawachaks ( history orators). Gurbani is being used in brahmanical way, like mantars, and like magic couplets. The Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji's bani is supposed to be read and understood. Accepting the gurbani is living our lives the way gurbani teaches us. But unfotunatly we just read it but are not implying it in our lives.ਪੜਿਐਮੈਲੁਨਉਤਰੈਪੂਛਹੁਗਿਆਨੀਆਜਾਇ॥੧॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30838
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This filth is not removed by studying. Go ahead, and ask the wise ones.

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You may read and read boat-loads of books; you may read and read and fill pits with them.

Some of us who try to understand the message of gurbani and are trying to obey gurbani are trying to end the caste system the other lot just read gurbani as mantras. I would again repeat that more than the followers the Preachers are the most responsible ones for the existence of the caste system.

May waheguru give us blessings to understand the real message of gurbani and live our lives as per the orders of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

Too wonderful for comment! roopsidhu ji it is a great insight that you written.
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Re: Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

The criteria of classifying human beings based on caste is what I hate the most. The first thing parents want to know while marrying their child is the caste of the prospective bride or groom. I fail to understand whatever the caste is ...how will that change the person as a human being??? Isn't the person more important ?? After all, marriage is between two persons, who have to live together and support each other. But all other factors are important apart from the persons themselves (and the most important factor is caste)...then they go on to do other useless tasks like matching kundlis and all that trash..sorry to say but this is a fact...
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I totally agree with amritbir. I feel as if youth nowadays are pressurised by their parents to make sure they do not hang around with people from other castes especially not marry them, because it would "look bad". I believe that Sikhs have a really tight community everywhere, but when it comes to different castes marrying, other people in the community become quick to judge. Since when did it become alright to judge anybody? In the end Waheguru will judge our actions such as these.
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