Our elders can be very wise, but why can they not let go of the caste system?

exactly , why cant they let gooo caste is nothing its rubbish , if your sikh you sikh nothing else , it really irritates me how the older generation make it such a big issue like its a crime to mary someone of a different caste , for god sake wake up and listenn to what the gurbani says and follow what the gurus have taught you
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I find that MOST ( if not ALL) Caste Based Forums, web sites on the Internet are actually run and maintained by YOUNGSTERS.......and all of these actually promote caste very very openly and even violently..and once again ALL those "disgusting" caste based songs/geets/so called lectures" on You-Tube are aslo all exclusively produced by YOUNGSTERS...all those who make disgusting and vulgar comments on caste songs etc are also youngsters becasue the older generation are not computer savvy and dont know much about the web etc.....so I guess that RIGHT MINDED YOUNGSTERS like "Proudtobesikh" and others having solid faith in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji have their work cut out for them...go out there among YOUR PEERS and give them the RIGHT MESSAGE. May the Guru Be WITH YOU .....

WE are taking the problem of CASTE SYSTEM at wrong end.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/30838-our-elders-can-very-wise-but.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30838
In Gurbanee ,the caste system has not been rejected..No where in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Can any one give a quote from Gurbanee for this confirmation.

In fact Gurbanee messages are giiven common for all CASTE existing at that time.
Gurbanee does make aware about being PROUD for particular Caste.

CASTE is abolished of its own when any Sikh is baptised as Khalsaa.This is the only way to get rid of CASTE SYSTEM. But how many are prepared for this .?

Since we are not considering what should be the right way as established by our 10th NANAK GURU GOBIND SINGH Ji............THe caste system is going to stay as such .

Prakash.S.Bagga

thanks alot gyani jarnail singh ji , really appreciate it , yeah it is really hard to try an educate people on such issues as there so deeply into it they think its the right thing but its not , this barrier needs to be broken and people really need to learn and walk on the right path of sikhi as our guru gobind singh ji said " manas sabko eke pehchaano " ,

but the caste system was made to be abolished thats the reason guru gobind singh ji said women will have kaur and men will have singh as their last names so that everyone is equal but i have seen situations where a few people are amritdhari's and yet they still believe in caste which is a total shame

This is an important point about the 'singh' and 'kaur' as surname use that many don't realise.
Now most people can deduce the correct cast from the surname, just as they can guess quite closely the village name from back in Punjab.
The jatts from a certain pind will generally have a certain surname whereas the chamaar will have their own, tharkan their own. lohar theirs and so on.
It becomes easy to deduce their cast by the surname for someone aware, so by abolishing the use of these surnames then in practice we can abolish these cast names.
This is what Guru Gobind Singh Ji had try to do with the use of Singh and Kaur when the Khalsa order was created.

But what did we all do instead? Yes, we all just carried on, but started using Singh and Kaur as middle names.
Just couldn't let go of these cast identifiers, could we?

With the young generation so heavily influenced with cast superiority and degradation it seems like another ongoing problem that will continue.

That said, there are probably more non arranged marriages in this day, the so called love marriages.
Quite a number of these can be mixed caste.
But, in my experience a third party friend or relative has usually worked out just by reading the family surnames on the wedding invite that it is a 'mixed marriage' before hand and already has this gossip fuel roaring to go!

Maybe if the surname attachments could be stopped and only having Singh and Kaur as prescribed, then in a few generations a trace of cast could be somewhat abolished.

Personally, I feel that as long as these surnames carry on, then sadly so will the castes.
The youth of today could take control of this if they try.

Waheguru
Luckysingh