Killing of Dalits In Haryana

The Supreme Court on Wednesday slammed the Haryana government for the brutal killing of two Dalits and destruction of 150 houses in Mirchpur, Hissar, on April 21 allegedly by upper caste people and warned it would "take a very serious view" if such incidents recurred.

A vacation bench of Justices G S Singhvi and C K Prasad pulled up the state government for its failure to prevent the incident, reportedly a fallout of a dog belonging to people of the (Valmiki) Dalit community barking at some upper caste Jat boys.

"Admittedly it started after a dog belonging to the Valmiki community barked at upper caste boys. Is it a ground for murdering people? Even dogs will not be killed for such purposes, otherwise, there will be no dogs left," the bench remarked.

The apex court passed the observation while rejecting the submission of senior counsel H S Hooda, who contented that the incident occurred after a wordy duel between youths belonging to the two communities on a trivial issue.

The apex court recorded an undertaking from the Haryana Government that it would rebuild some of the houses damaged in the arson and provide employment to at least one member of each affected family under the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act or other government-sponsored schemes by the next hearing.
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"Unfortunately in Haryana such incidents are repeatedly occurring without sensitivity. We hope there will be no further incidents. If it occurs and this court finds the state lacking, we will take a very serious view," the bench warned.

The apex court expressed displeasure at the manner in which the state government failed to anticipate the situation and prevent the incident.

"What did the SSP, the district commissioner and other senior officers do to prevent the possible occurrence? We want the state government to conduct a thorough probe and fix responsibility on superior officers, suspension of SHO or thesildar hardly makes a difference," the bench observed.

 
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In haryana dalits are regularly attacked and killed yet
they hardly retaliate or threaten to leave hinduism On the other hand in Punjab Dalits and jat sikhs regularly clash and dalits always threaten to leave sikhsim and some even create their new religion

SSA,
We should elaborate the reasons that why they (dalits) threaten to leave sikhism?
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Who is responsible? Babas, ppolitics or uppercaste sikhs?
It need a serious study and plan of action to put an end to it.
Roopsidhu

In Punjab Dalits are quite powerful and they have their own dera's and political leaders who use them.When one of their baba got killed they were on rampage in Punjab now why no such rampage in haryana?
uppercaste sikhs are responsible for discrimination but that does not mean they should leave the faith that actually benefitted them and helped their upliftment

Sat Shri Akaal Everyone,

Whenever I hear of Dalits wanting to leave Sikh faith because ..., it makes me wonder whether under the same circumstances, I would like to leave Sikh faith. The answer is NO. I am Sikh for my personal reasons, for my own benefit, I am not doing any favor to anyone, then who is the threat against anyways? If they really love Sikhi, then why don't they exert as much right over it as we do. Why don't they ask the other Sikhs to leave it if other Sikhs don't like them, why is it that they threaten to leave as if they are doing some type of favor to others? It sounds very strange to me.
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Then they also focus so much on Bhagat Ravidas, and want to call him Satguru just like Guru Nanak Dev Ji. I do not have the same caste as our Gurus, and there is a bhagat in Guru Granth Sahib that did have the same caste as myself. Does that mean I should be focused on that Bhagat's bani more? It is ridiculous. It sounds like so many people don't even understand the purpose of the religion, they think it is some type of social or political agenda, but it really is a spiritual path to salvation. If they are not happy with Sikh faith, they have the free will to convert, but it is no threat to anyone, as I for one don't seem to care one way or the other. It is all their personal gain or loss.
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Regards,
Randeep Kaur

SSA,
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The dalits of Haryana, which are being discussed are already seperate from hindus. They are called Balmikis. They always face descrimination from upper caste hindus and are having own religious path.
As far as matter of dalits of punjab leaving the sikhism is concerned, If there way of following is not as per teachings of gurbani, then they are not sikhs and I personally do not care if they are leaving sikhi or not. If they are not true followers then why sikhs need them? just for numbers or votes?
Roopsidhu

Balmiks are not separate religion .They are part of hinduism.In census they are counted as hindu's.Also despite being non veg they don't consume beef so they are 100% hindus

SSA,
There are lot of balmikis who are against the hindu diety rama, there are different societies in balmikis Nmaed after Ravana ( the enemy of hindu diety Rama) recently I have read about an organization called Ravan saina (of balmikis), announcing that if hindus will not stop burning ravana then Ravan saina will start burning Rama's effigy. Can any sect or caste threatening to burn Ram putlas be hindu.
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And how comes that non- beef eaters are hindu only. Majority of sikhs also do not eat beef, can we call them hindus?
Are we deciding the religion of the person from his/her belief or from the census data.
Are ravidasias sikh? 80% ravidasias are shaven headed,do we consider them sikhs?
I am sorry for getting off the topic but permit me to ask about some kesdharis as well:-
Are nirankaris sikhs?
Are naamdharis sikh?
Are Radha soamis sikh?
Are non believer of the prime fact (that only Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the only present Guru and no other book should be regarded as guru) sikhs?
This is my point of view that the ones who do not believe in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the only present guru are not sikhs. There being called sikhs or anything else really do not matters to, me.
Roopsidhu

Yes the sikhs who eat other kind of meat and don't eat beef have some kind of hinduism in them.Is their any justification that you don't eat an animal that is sacred for other religion?

For political decisions census data is the only source What is the religion of person is.When Punjab was partitioned the criteria was only census.If at that time Balmiks and other lower castes had been removed from hindu or sikh defination then East Punjab was also a muslim
majority state and should had been given to Pakistan.

At present even 90% of sikh youths of Punjab cut their hair yet we call Punjab a sikh state and all its problems and affairs are automatically considered as sikh affairs

In India hindu's are 80% of population but if you start removing sects like balmiks then tribals then some other sects then may you will not found Hindu population of India more than 30%.

If Balmiks really conisdered themselves non hindu's then they should clearly ask central Govt to recognise them as separate religion