Bloody Fight Erupts at Brampton Sikh Temple

Obviously, they keep looking at the wrong places like religion as those who are misled themselves can not lead others in the right direction but they keep forgetting that the best place to find it is within themselves...

 
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This is Lord's Law and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Since everything in this world happens as per Lord's Law, the outcome of any religion is what's being discussed in this topic....

As far as the charities go, they serve more the people in them than the needy. Charities are more like job security for the people running them, in fact very profitable...

So now charities are also wrong.No one should donate. any penny to any charity
as their is corruption in charity.If sikhs do any sewa or charity they are serving themselves.

People these days can do one thing talk-talk talk.Bash religion ,bash politicians ,bash everything if they could have done of 5% some positive work toward in real life then many things could have been changed.

This is God's Law that when someone is rich, someone else has to be poor.

Generally gullible people get sucked into donating money to charities and religious places. But the fact is charities and religious places are another way for people to give themselves jobs...

Recently, a daughter sued her father over charity. If charities weren't profitable, why would on on this earth they sue each other?

Why don't they screw them self before they use the hammer on others. They need a Hammer on there own forehead.

Any Gurudwara you go to all about is the Money & Power
As I mention before One Gurudwara I know for 29 years but last 10 Ten year one family holds the Gurudwara accounts tell me is this FARE
One family and next two year again it has given to that same family if you want to know accounts update from them. in tere eyes youare bad guys so it's better Close your eyes put a hand on yor Lips finger in your ears and let them use the Power be safe at home
like Bapu ke teen bandher ( Gandhi Three Monky)

Why they have to use a Hammer or Knives Just Thinks Guys
All they want a POWR HUNGRY

People like those who use KNIVES, Hammer Matches Through them out of the society plus who are Power Hungary them too..

0% Tolerance
Gurfateh

Ok Now let's see. This person engages me in an argument. When he can not produce any evidence for his positions,he starts with accusations and ad hoc attacks, saying that I have a hidden agenda and that i want to do this or want to do that, He states I have no knowledge etc. I agree that I lack knowledge.

BUT THE ARGUMENT IS REALLY NOT about Sikhi!!!

It does not deal with doctrine at all, but with the self evident fact that religions are not plants that sprout off the ground y themselves. Some one had to prosleityze others to get Jews, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, or whatever. IF the great proselityzer himself Jesus the Christ, had not proselityzed, there would not be any Christians today. That is not a theory, that is a fact, as true as that the sun shines in the day time. It does not require an Iota of knowledge of any religion to realize the truth of that fact.

For making that, self evidently true argument, now I stand accused, by this person, of propagandizing my faith and lectured, even after I asked to be left alone!! Its totally irrational to deny this and has nothing to do with knowing or not knowing Sikhi.

When you , the administrators got involved in the dispute, I wrote that I wanted no part of the discussion (It was MY thread by the way) Then I say something in another thread and the same guy, who was borderline abusive before, starts up with similar comments. So when I tell him to back off, he gets praised and I get warned? Whats wrong? Then he sends me a personal note which I have copied to another member, in which he again starts with a whole series of , to be VERY kind, senseles accusations.

You know what? if this is the way Sikhs behave? Is this the degree of civil discourse and fairness they display? Because if it is IT PUTS THE LIE TO EVERYTHING THE GURUS SAID and, if this is the way this list is run I think I should re-evaluate my opinions on both and maybe some people ought to start looking in the mirror.

I am just sorry I was 'ignorant' enough to actually contribute. ro SPN. Maybe this 'Tewant' person can be persuaded to refund the money of the 'ignorant' one? Needless to say i won't hold my breath waiting.

Come to think of it this might be a microcosm of the problems I been reading about here in SPN. Its just that some use machetes and others verbal abuse and lying accusations, They are all engaging in violence in one way or another, and unjust violence at that.

What a crying shane, you could have been something great!, like your founders were. Or perhasps that too is a mirage? After all those engaging in the abuse and the violence are Sikhs and sometimes they are even Praised! Like for example:

" Tejwant Ji, as always, you have beautifully and aptly summed up the situation by putting forth the present situation in due perspective. "

Of course I will probably be accused of being a plant by Hindus, or Islamists or whatever irrational conspiracies you guys live involved in. So
what, I am saying the truth as I see it! If the shoe fts wear it!

Man ... he always soils what he treasures! Sad truly sad!

Hasta la vista!

It is heart-breaking. It is not human. It could be different.

It will be different.

Gurfateh Curious Seeker Ji

I am not sure what went on between you and Tejwant Ji but you did disappoint me with your reply today.

The matter of refunding the donations, you could have easily resolved with the administration privately but as the beans have been spilled, i think, i would like to make a point quite clear here... If you think by making a donation or a sweet talk, anybody else can get away with undermining Sikhism then, i think, you are 'playing' pretty naive around here. And there is no such thing as you said (It was MY thread by the way) in a public forum.

At your age and life experiences, i am shocked to learn that you are painting all and sundry with the same tainted glasses. It is very easy to point fingers on others' faith. Our learned members could have easily questioned your faith or belief system but they chose not to because they know that its a futile exercise and more often than not, ends up like in childish bragging just like in this case. However, if somebody did question your faith, you feel quite offended then whose fault is this?

Further, owning solely to you presence at SPN, we opened up a special new section dedicated to Zoroastrianism for further study but you did not bothered even once to share your faith and philosophy with us... You have only focused your energies on pointing fingers at Sikhs lately. Whose fault is this?

Sikhs may have let down their Gurus but Sikhs are not in a denial and are quite awake to the issues we are facing and are more than capable of resovling these issues without "outer" intervention. You or Anybody for that is more than welcome to explore and learn about Sikh philosophy and its comparative study with other philosophies in the interfaith section and we will never ever intervene in your quest but please do mind that your domain ends where undermining of Sikhism begins...

And finally, donation is a voluntary way of showing your (anybody's) appreciation of our efforts of voluntarily managing a wide spectrum of views and perspectives. And, certainly, that does not mean the person can expect any kind of preferential treatment for this gesture. Needless to say your donated money has been refunded as it has lost its meaning.

I would not indulge in any further dialogue on this topic. If anybody has any issues then you are more than welcome to get in touch with me via Private Messaging.

My apologies if this caused any offense but i had clarify our stand on this issue.

Gurfateh!

Aman Singh