Gyani Ji Says:
(He is talking about the period post 1984 pograms)
I did not discourse for around 14 months... you would ask "why did you not do it"? ...the Panthic administrators did not provide me the time... They were afraid that they will get involved as i was visiting police stations every other
day (to seek welfare of Gursikhs arrested on various charges) and if these so called Panthic administrators would even wish me "Sat Sri Akal", they will get involved and the courts might summon them for clarfications... so for 13-14 months i did not get any time to do Katha/discourses... and then some people came from Seattle, US, they took me to some of the Gurdwaras... they said that this is not a right thing (that you are not speaking out)... i said These so called Panthic Administrators are afraid. They are even afriad to say Gurfateh to me! As, the other day i had said, there are many people who speak booastfully sitting in closed dark quarters/cabinets and everybody can do a big talk sitting in the closed chambers... at that moment, time and again, a shabad would stuck to my mind by Guru Teg Bahadur Ji "Sukh Main Bau Sanghi Bhae" , "In good times, you will find many friends surrounding you". Once upon a time, these People would listen to my discourses very fondly.. with great love... used to bestome a great respect for me and now they even do not reply back to my "Sat Sri Akal"!!
I came to know that in Tihar Jail, Prof Darshan Singh has been impriosned... In Delhi there were/are more than a million Sikhs and not even a single Sikh could came to visit him there... i met Giani Kalyan Singh ji and said let us go (and meet Prof Darshan Singh in dreaded Tihar Jail.) i should not say but i have to say about the way i was introduced to Prof Darshan, he was having only Kachheera (Sikhi Under Garment) on his body and there was no other clothing... Why the Tihar Jail administation had kept him, only the almighty knows... or Prof Sahib would tell you himself... there was only a small piece of hankerchief on his head... he was not allowed to wear Sikh turban...
Even when i was allowed to meet him, there was a steel wired cage in between us and we were sitting four feet apart... (need help: could not understand the following line)... i said (to myself) this is just too extreme... just too bizarre... i had also brought some fruits for him... i thought they wont allow anything else so let's take some fruits for him... Jailor ordained "Take these fruits back with you... they are not allowed inside... you can not give him anything... you have got only two minutes to talk to him and that is it." ...Afterwards i repented over the fact that i did not even ask him why he was not wearing any clothings on his body... a soldier (he was a Singh) told me that two captive Sikhs had commited suicide by hanging with their kurtas (Sikhi long traditional t-shirts). One other Singh did commit suicide with his own turban. Due to this reason all clothings of the remaining captives have been removed except the Kachhera...
No Sikh would ever came to meet him in prison... and then my eyes were filled with tears when i saw wife of Prof Darshan sitting alone in Courts the whole day and there would be noone else besides her... noone was there... (People can speak a big talk in closed hidden chambers, nobody dared to open his voice in public)
"Vipt Paye Sab Hi Sang Chadat, Kou Na Avat Naere" , "In bad times, everybody leave you in lurch and nobody even comes near to you"
One day i met a crying sister of Prof Darshan... she said that herds of people would rush just to listen to Prof Darshan's performing gurbani kirtan and now when he is in trouble nobody comes near him... i consoled her by asking her to remember a shabad by Guru Teg Bahadur ji... "Sang Sakha Sab Taj Gaye", "Family Friends have Deserted (you)"...
Let there be no delusion in our heart that "this or this or this person is my friend... nobody is your friend... "Sukh Mein Sabb Sanghi Bhaye, Dukh Mein Sang Naa Koyee"... and "Sang Sakha Sabb Taj Gaye, kau na nibyae saath, Kaho Nanank Ae Vipt Mein, Tek Ek Ragnath" ... Only the all prevading almighty will always be with you in the times of your trouble...
Admin Note: There would be many errors and omissions in the translations. please do pin point if anything is out of order...
Bhul Chuk Maaf
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Re: Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji's praising Singh Sahib, Prof. Darshan Singh Ji
The manner in which the "Pathetic.Org and related mouthpieces and so called Human-Right Organisation Mailing Lists are getting down into the SEWERS to launch personal attacks on Prof Darshan Singh Jis personal Life ( all LIES anyway ) shows how really DESPERATE they are to somehow malign Darshan Singh ji in the eyes of the sangats so that their evil designs may yet gain some favour...BUT the Aggressive way in which Sangats all over the World, India and Punjab are INVITING and HONOURING Prof Darshan Singh Ji in Kirtan Darbars...shows the barefaced LIES of these PATHETIC ORGANS have failed. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727
Even the resurrected Nanakshai Calendar issue to cloud the darshan singh issue and DIVIDE the snagats attention/mislead the snagats has Failed...the Darshan Singh Issue lends strength to the Nanaksahi Calendar Issue and Vice Versa
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Re: Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji's praising Singh Sahib, Prof. Darshan Singh Ji
Dear readers, in humble effort to make this speech available to more wider audience, we have done a line by line English translation of this speech... which is posted in the first post itself... readers are requested to point out and errors and omissions that might have occurred in this effort. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727
Gurfateh!
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Re: Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji's praising Singh Sahib, Prof. Darshan Singh Ji
Amritpal Singh ji
Although this topic has nothing to with your link as there are many discussions going on in other topics elsewhere in this forum... and i am nobody to ever counter or analyze Gyani's speech and I have heard this entire speech many times, you may have noticed that in the first part of this speech, Giani Ji has mentioned specifically that there were 52 poets in the Darbar of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, who wrote poetry in various types of writing styles... some of them were poet of Rodrr Rass, someone was poet of Shant Rass and somebody was a poet of Kaam Rass... and then he abruptly disconnected from this major point!
You can listen to that part-1 (2.15 onwards again carefully).
And towards of the end of speech in this part itself, he proclaims that Triah Charitar are have been written by Dasam Patshah! He has gone into deep lengths to discuss Kaam Rass from various sources but did not even touch or even quote a shabad from the compositions of Triah Charitar itself? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727
This ambiguity adds even more confusion to this topic.
Just my observations...
Bhul Chuk Maaf
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Re: Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji's praising Singh Sahib, Prof. Darshan Singh Ji
Gurbnai declares that ONLY Kartar,....WaheGuru...The Creator is ABHULL...all else make mistakes, can be mistaken...Maskeen ji was also a human..a Great man..but a human never the less...that helps us understand any ambiguity...QUOTING the Charitars would have BLOWN the "cover"....EXACTLY what has been thrown as a challenge to the DG Promoters....Get Your wives/daughters/sisters together in SANGAT and DO a LINE by LINE KATHA....of these Charitars....and WE WILL ALL ACCEPT THEM as DG Bani !! SO Far NONE of the DG supporters have DARED accept this Open Challenge..but all of them never the less continue saying..charitars are DG Bani........???? Mnay many Seminars etc were held on DG..BUT at NONE were the Charitars explained line by line and HOW they are Gurmatt as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...
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Re: Giani Sant Singh Maskeen ji's praising Singh Sahib, Prof. Darshan Singh Ji
This is my first post on this network, don't think that the person like prof.darshan singh ji can make any false comment's on sri dasam granth ji. But he is true on his stand that no granth can be equated with sahib sri guru granth sahib ji. If that's the case then sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj would himself bow in front of sri dasam granth ji along with sri guru granth sahib. I strongly condemns all those person who are joining hand's with pro-rss to divide the panth. Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fatah.
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SSA,
very good thread, this thread is going to uncover many hidden facts and going to be very useful for the learners of sikhi. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28727
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