Baba Manochahal's Warning of Ragi Darshan Singh at Panthic.org

BABA MANOCHAHAL AND BKI Chief Sulakhan Singh Babbar WARNING KHALSA PANTH ABOUT DARSHAN SINGH..
Panthic.org
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/28701-baba-manochahals-warning-ragi-darshan-singh.html

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OK - So far so good! This only raises some questions for my part!
I have edited my questions in response to the comments of roab1 ji that follow.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28701

1. Why can BABA MANOCHAHAL not simply pick up the phone and have a man-to-man discussion with Professor Darshan Singh, making a honest attempt to iron out differences and clear misunderstandings regarding Khalistan? (This question was answered below by roab1 ji who reports that Baba Manochahal is dead. However, the premise of this question still counts in my view because attempts a dialog rather than bombastic name-calling would be more effective if panthic unity is taken seriously.)

2. If he, BABA MANOCHAHAL, cannot do this, why not? Why issue proclamations without first trying to find common ground for reconciliation of views? Is he running for election?
(Answered by roab1 ji)

3. It seems that BABA MANOCHAHAL may have misunderstood Professor's position. Apparently he did not connect, because decades ago Professor Darshan Singh was pro-Khalistan. After all Dal Khalsa has no issue with the Professor.

4. I clicked on a link to a full text article and saw a Singh with a gun holster where his kirpan should be, and he seemed to be twirling a gun. What's up with that? This question still needs to be addressed if we are talking about the well-being of the panth today, and not decades ago. He should be wearing a kirpan for what that represents. Why then is a December 2009 news article in a "panthic" media outlet promoting belligerence?

P/S I had to edit the thread title as ALL CAPS and websites are thread punctuation violations. If you ever notice threads using all caps which I have missed, do not hesitate to point them out so I can address them properly. Thanks, Narayanjot Kaur

Actually the call for Khalistan was first raised allegedly by agents of Indira Gandhi. Too much is made of the statement of bhindranwale. Don't know about Darshan Singh but struggle for khalistan did de-rail the whole movement which was always for autonomy kind of position.

roab1 ji Thanks for the information. I did not know he was dead! So that makes my questions null and void. If you follow the link for the related thread you find out that this happened decades ago by panthic.org's own admission. One thing that seems to be left out of this tirade against Professor Darshan Singh ji is that he was pro-Khalistan for a period of time. The tirade itself is melodrama. If he is dead then why is panthic.org making a fuss by using this so-called warning (serious question)? Are they suggesting that dead men speak from the grave? Are they grasping for straws? Is this a last ditch effort since the mood at Akal Takht seems to be going into reverse gear? Is there a need to weaken support for the Professor among various panthic groups?

They are firing from all the guns they have!

For sake of respectability, their weapons are not that impressive. Bad idea to put them on parade. They probably know it. Therefore.....

Gurfateh!

Its humorous and tad funny when some members of this forum post this kind of "news article" at SPN as if we are somehow advocating only one side of the story. If the readers would care to read all the debates on this present controversy, they would realiwe that SPN is, perhaps, the only online forum of Sikhs, which has provided a fair platform to both the parties to present their side of the story. The mere fact is that even such biased articles from pathetic.org are allowed to be stay posted on SPN indicates that we are more than willing to present the clear picture to the readers from around the world, without prejudice.

Having read and listened to everything mentioned in this so called "News" article, here are some interesting observations, it would be very important, if somebody could clear the points raised in these observations:

• People have raised doubts about the election of Prof Darshan during those times in and around 1984 trials and turbulence. But after listening to the speech of Baba Manochahal, if emerges that infact Prof Darshan was elected as Jathedar of Akal Takht by people like Baba Manochahal and Gyani Thakur Singh Ji, so who are doubting the election of Prof Darshan as Akal Takht Jathedar are doubting people like Baba Manochahal and his associates. It is a matter of other debate as to why and what forced him to change on his stance on Khalistan movement. Jumping to conclusions to meet our trivial goals is our shortcoming.

1. In the above photograph, alongwith Prof. Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa and Sushil Muni, it is surprising to notice that Late Giani Thakur Singh ji is also sitting (extreme Left), who was an ardent follower of Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Bhinderawale. Presence of Late Gyani Thakur Singh Ji shows that Prof Darshan and other Singh Sahibans were acting with the consent of Gyani Thakur Singh ji... or do you consider late Gyani Thakur Singh ji as also a traitor of Sikh Panth? Incidentally, it is important to state here that Gyani Thakur Singh was person who pronounced that Sant Jarnail Singh was alive and would return. So, it is very strange to find him in this picture.

2. Although it is deceptive and bigotry to manipulate a speech by a dead person to meet our ends meet but as pathetic.org has left no option but to indulge in the post-mortem...

When a cause is in doldrums, its time to play blame games... Baba Manochahal, in his relayed speech, has clearly stated only his apprehensions against all five Singh Sahibans, in General. There is no documentary proof to support his allegations though?

• This statement in itself is a reflective of the fact that the Khalistan as a struggle was already doomed by the time this speech was made.
• It would have been quite interesting to have conducted a referendum of Sikhs worldwide, seeking a clear mandate from ordinary Sikh's view on the movement called, Khalistan. It is interesting as to how without a clear mandate this movement could be termed a Sikh Panth's movement?
• The only issue that remained to be addressed then was stopping the massacre/genocide of Sikhs in villages/towns in Punjab, who were not even part of the movement.
• Not trying to make a hero out of anyone but this resolution passed by the Sikh Convention may have directly saved the lives of a million of Sikhs in India and prevented the whole Sikh Panth being labeled as being the traitor of the Sovereign State of India. We are talking about ordinary Sikhs, who had practically nothing to do with the Khalistan movement.
• It would be quite interesting if any other further resolution was passed to nullify this resolution? Perhaps, somebody with information could put some light on this issue.
• It is very convenient and naive to present any thing in a negative light, as it depends on how you want to look at the spectrum.
• As stated by dear roab1: "The other fact to ponder is that struggle for khalistan did de-rail the whole movement which was always for autonomy kind of position."

• It is a matter of another debate as to why he choose Sri Darbar Sahib ji as his personal fortress?
• Was there any mandate or consensus for the movement in ordinary Sikh Panth?

Rest of the speech is all but a collection of reservations playing the blame games. we can delve into that at some other moment.

3. It would be interesting to hear what Prof Darshan himself has to say about this issue now, but it seems, Prof Darshan did resign from his responsibility of Jathedar Akal Takht soon afterwords without making any fuss. If he was state sponsored then he could have stick to his guns and would not have relinquish his post of power.

• Furthermore, it is apparent that while passing the resolution, the Singh Sahibans were working under consensus from the Sikh Panth. As per the evidence from the above photograph, the fact emerges that he and other Singh Sahibans were working in full knowledge and consent of Late Gyani Thakur Singh Ji showing that they had his full support.
• Surely, Gyani Thakur Singh Ji cannot be in the same category as a Sikh Traitor?
• Then what is he doing in this picture above?
• Was the movement so weak/feeble that passing a simple resolution could derail it?
• How did the selection of later Jathedar of Akal Takht help to ****her the movement, in any way?
• Pathetic.org is bragging against the same SGPC and its Jathedars of which they are now the ardent supporters, Double standards?
• When it is clear that the selection of present generation of Jathedars is even more debatable than during the time of Prof Darshan, he was selected by people like Baba Manochahal and others, who anointed him with the responsibility of dealing the affairs of Sikh Panth?
• It is quite clear that Prof Darshan was an ardent supporter of the movement in the initial stages but might have re-considered his stand realizing the hardships, trails and turbulence being faced by millions of Sikhs who had practically no interest in the movement. His actions may have been influenced by the greater benefit of Sikh Panth.
  

4. Bhai Sulakhan Singh account in this context if utter rubbish and does not even fit into the scheme of this "New article", a compelete non-starter!

• Where did Prof Darshan dishonor the SRM?
• Did anybody ever heard that SRM mentions something about a person eating an omelet!
• Is Bhai Sulakhan Singh talking about some other SRM?
• It is highly debatable as to why would Bhai Sulakhan Singh ji would indulge in such trivialities?
• Its amazing how low anybody could stoop. Pathetic! Pathetic! Pathetic!
• Pathetic.org is promoting all kind of heresy just to coerce the views of simple Sikh Sangat in their favor and keep the attention off from the main topics in hand.
• They are not even sparing the dead persons to make their ends meet. Isn't the behavior of pathetic.org suspicious in itself?
• It is all heresy and a baseless propaganda to malign a person with mis-information about him! You can utter a falsehood ten times and it begins to appear truth to even the educated minds, what to speak of the illiterate people in villages... Falsehood has a very short life though.

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• On the contrary, anybody can ask, where were all these pathetic.org and associated people, when when these Gursikhs were sacrificing their lives?
• Where are all these people now, who are making all these pathetic statements as a cheap tactic to play with the emotions of Sikh Panth?

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• This is one of the most ambiguous statements one would ever read, just to coerce the sentiments of ordinary Sikh Sangat.
• This only goes on to show how biased are the views of pathetic.org and but yes we are listening!!

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Ah! finally a consensus, thats is exactly what everybody in Sikh Panth is telling.


Bhul Chuk Maaf

Gurfateh!

Do you expect people to take seriously the rantings of a fanatical site like pathetic.org?

Randip ji

Thousands do, thousands do worldwide!