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But again I fail to understand where & how does so called Dasam Granth come into picture after around two hundred years of wilderness? And when the concept of Saint Soldier was already there and how does it concur that the Khalsa Panth is incomplete without the so called Dasam Granth?

How does so called Dasam Granth make the Khasla Panth make complete? Are we not belitteling the authority of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru?
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I am really sorry but none of my post mention anything about Dasam Granth



 
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I am talking not only to you alone in this debate. Just a general observation and an effort to divert the discussion back on topic.
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1. Technically the DG is "not mentioned" in Kanwardeep Singh Ji's post..BUT its still there !! Because the "Amrit" (Khandey batte dee Pahul, 5 K's, Nitnem Banis, the Guru Khalsa Panth is said to be in DANGER of "annihilation" IF.....IF....IF..the DG is NOT ACCEPTED IN FULL - that is the entire slant of the present campaign FOR DG by the Lambas, the Dhuma Faction of the dumdummy taksals, sant smaajis, the derawadees, the Patna and Hazoor sahib Pujarees, Nanaksaris, jawadee taksalis etc etc etc etc..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/28612-tv-interview-giani-gurbachan-singh-jathedar.html
It is being said again and again and repeatedly stressed that WITHOUT 100% acceptance of the entire DG..there can be NO KHALSA !! Must it not only be accpeted in full..it must also be Paraksh at same level of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in all Gurdwaras as is already done in taksal , hazoor sahib and patna sahib.
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2. THIS above line of thinking is patently FALSE. It also deems to show us that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is an INCOMPLETE GURU....that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesnt have all that is required for the Khalsa Panth !!

3.The TRUTH is the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is TOTALLY COMPLETE...Sampooran GURU for all time, Universal Guru for all Humanity and it has EVERYTHING needed for the Khalsa Panth to go on forever. The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has all the Instructions a Khalsa Panth needs....no other book at all necessary even for a "tiny" instruction.

4. On the other hand the DG is FULL of inconsistencies...FALSE HOOD..mistakes of the most BASIC Nature....a shame to call these Guru kirt as our GURU is ABHULL !! Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is TRULY ABHULL as it doesnt contain a tiniest "mistake"..falsehood..untruth...and this is solid proof of its DIVINITY as compared to the DG which doesnt even have the compactness and running thought ( same divinity whether the author is a Bhagat or the Guru..) based symettery that is so obvious in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is one Maala of pearls from Page One to 1429....not so the DG !! Read it and see.

5. I say it again..the Khalsa Panth was Born on the same DAY Its Founder was Born..1st Vaisakh, 1469 in Nankanna Sahib !! The very same Day the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji began to descend as DHUR KI BANI.....and all this was Completed in 1708...FULLY COMPLETE with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji installed on the Nanak Throne.... Guru Maniyo Granth and the Guru Khalsa panth in its Tabiah !!
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Re: Prof Darshan Singh Ji KhalsaARSHAN SINGH - A TRAITOR AMIDST THE SIKHS

This is a sharabi kabaabi jathedar Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan singh

http://www.panthic.org/articles/5193

Prof Darshan Singh Ji KhalsaARSHAN SINGH - A TRAITOR AMIDST THE SIKHS
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Published on December 25, 2009

seems controversy is not anything new for Darshan Singh, the heretic Ragi, who was recently declared a 'Guru-Nindak' and a 'Tankhaiya' by Sri Akal Takht Sahib, for disobeying the authority of the Supreme Seat of Sikhism.

Evidence has surfaced that more than two decades ago, two major freedom fighting organizations, Bhindranwala Tigers Force, and Babbar Khalsa International were suspicious of the heretic Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh, and acknowledged that he was unfit to serve as the Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib during those turbulent times.

Many have suspected that was Ragi a mole working for the Government agencies, installed to actively derail and torpedo the Khalistan movement in the late 1980s. New evidence and suspicions raised by prominent Sikh leaders of the past seem to validate this notion.

Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh was installed by the Tohra led Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) in late 1986. Although Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal was also declared Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib by a section of the Khalistan freedom fighters, he later resigned for the sake of Panthic unity. Little did he know about the treachery that was unfolding under the leadership of his successor.

The Chandigarh Tribune narrates this shifting of power at the Sikh Takhts in their July 13th, 2002 editorial interestingly titled 'Misdeeds' of stalwarts during militancy. The Tribune editor notes:

"The SGPC under Mr Tohra had sacked the head granthi of Darbara Sahib and secured and accepted the resignation of Giani Kirpal Singh and secured and accepted the resignation of Giani Kirpal Singh as Jathedar Akal Takht.

On December 31 (1986), Bhai Darshan Singh Raagi joined as jathedar. On January 23, 1987, the three head priests had also been dismissed and in their place, Giani Puran Singh, Giani Savinder Singh, Giani Jaswant Singh and Giani Kashmir Singh were appointed as high priests. The 'Sarbat khalsa' held on January 26, 1987, approved the resolution of April 29 for Khalistan and also the recent appointments of the high priests. In a recorded message of Gurbachan Singh Manochahal played to the gathering he resigned from the post of Jathedar, Akal Takht, to accommodate Bhai Darshan Singh in the larger interest of the Panth."
(July 13, 2002 , Tribune India)


Softening the Target : Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh and Shushil Muni


Furthermore, the former Joint Director of India's Intelligence Bureau, Maloy Krishna Dhar, in his memoirs, states:

"He (Rajiv Gandhi) has already played the peace card through Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh and a Jain preacher Sushil Muni…"
(Open Secrets – India's Intelligence Unveiled, Maloy Krishna Dhar, Manas Publications -2005) Perhaps, one of the strongest criticisms, and serious allegations leveled against the Ragi came from Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal. Baba Manochahal was the head of the Bhindranwala Tigers Force (BTF), and a key member of the Panthic Committee, at that time period.



Ragi addressing the 'Sikh Convention' on August 4th, 1987,
an event that would be the catalyst for derailing the Khalistan Movement

During a convention held at the Sri Darbar Sahib complex at the Teja Singh Samundri Hall on August 4th, 1987, a statement was read by Baba Manochahal's representative, Bhai Daya Singh Chohla, that chided the Ragi along with the rest of the 'Singh Sahibans' for backtracking on their previous pledge to lead the struggle for the liberation of the Sikh Homeland – Khalistan.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28612

The convention was called by the Takht Jathedars under the pretext that this assembly would 'define' the goals and objectives of the Sikh cause. Baba Manochahal and others openly questioned the need to define the Panth's goals and objectives when the Sarbat Khalsa had already done so. Baba Manochahal argued that the goal for the establishment of an independent Sikh Homeland, Khalistan had already been declared in 1984 and further ratified by the Sarbat Khalsa in 1986.

The contovercial convention, organized by Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh, was attended by Takht Jathedars Giani Kashmir Singh, Giani Sawinder Singh, Giani Jaswant Singh, and many prominent Sikh politicians and personalities of that time.

Khalistan no longer a goal

At the gathering it was declared by the Ragi that the Sikh nation's goal was not an independent and separate homeland of Khalistan. Instead, the Sikhs should strive for a more more autonomy in India as promised by Pandit Nehru during the partition. The Sikhs no longer needed to fight an armed struggle declared the Ragi, self-governance and autonomy could only be gained through dialogue and votes.

Chaos prevailed throughout at the convention, but this did not distract the Ragi from his task. This was perhaps the first direct attempt to derail the Khalistan struggle at the public level, and an insult to the declarations passed by the Sarbat Khalsa in 1986.


Bhai Daya Singh of Chohla Sahib,
an associate of Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal (BTF)


Bhai Daya Singh of Chohla Sahib, an associate of Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal at that time delivered a fiery message from BTF's Jathedar, and directly alleged that the Singh Sahibans were working hand-in-hand with the Indian Government to mislead Sikh community and divide the Sikh Freedom Fighters.

In the message read by Bhai Daya Singh, Baba Manochahal warned, such underhanded tactics would not be allowed to succeed by the Sikh Nation.

Message from Shaheed Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal - read by BTF Deputy Bhai Daya Singh:
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View full text of Baba Manochahal's Warning to Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh

Some of main points and questions raised by Baba Manochahal to the Singh Sahibans were as follows:

  • Has the Panth actually been fighting without an real objective/goal for the last five years?
  • Since 1984, the struggle for Khalistan was lauched when the Indian Government attacked Sri Dabar Sahib. This is according to the words of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale.
  • All Sikh Jujharoo (freedom fighting) organizations are struggling for the establishment of Khalistan. What objective are you trying to define?
  • Does this Sikh Convention want to put the Sikh Nation at the mercy of those so-called Sikh leaders who assisted the Government in the assault on Sri Darbar Sahib, Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and the destruction of hundreds of Saroops (of Guru Granth Sahib Ji), and the elimination of thousands of Singhs, Bibis, and children?
  • Singh Sahibs, we smell the stench that you have joined the Center, who is all too eager to appease the Jujharoo Singhs on the basis of Sri Anandpur Sahib Resolutions. You are now speaking of defining goals, if you still have not understood the goals of the Panth, then what else can the Panth expect from you?
  • Singh Sahibs, time will expose the truth. Is it not your intention at this program to weaken the resolve of the Sikh organizations fighting for Khalistan, and create chaos in the Sikh community?
  • Do you still have faith in the Indian Government? The same government that is actively destroying and eliminating Sikh institutions, the Sikh identity, and Sikh culture?
  • If you still have faith in such a Government, then there is no one who is in a dark pit than you, regardless of how high your current position is.
  • All Sikhs respect Sri Akal Takht Sahib, and the positions of the Singh Sahibans, but no one will be allowed to become a government stooge while holding such a respectable position. It needs to be made clear that only those Singhs can serve the Panth that are ready and willing to sacrifice everything for the sake of the Panth.
Regardless of the strong opposition by Baba Manochahal and other Jujharoo Singhs, the Ragi and the convention organizers passed resolution that would attempt to derail the Khalistan struggle by redefining it as simply a movement for further autonomy for Punjabis in the current Indian framework.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28612

The next day Punjabi papers eagerly flashed the redefined objective by the Jathdars all over the front-pages. It seemed like the first steps of the Government planned coup to hijack the Sikh Freedom struggle from the Jujharoo organizations had been successfully accomplished – thanks to the Ragi, and his SGPC cohorts.


Front page of Ajit on the Ragi organized 'Sikh convention'

"ਸਿੱਖ ਕਨਵੈਨਸ਼ਨ ਦੇ ਪ੍ਰਸਤਾਵ"
"ਸਿੱਖ ਪੰਥ ਭਾਰਤ 'ਚ ਅਜ਼ਾਦੀ ਨਾਲ ਰਹਿ ਸਕਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਖਿਤੇ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤੀ ਲਈ ਸੰਘਰਸ਼ ਕਰੇਗਾ"
"ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਦੇ ਮਾਮਲੇ ਤੇ ਮਤਭੇਦ - ਅਜ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕਾਰਗਰ : ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਹਿਬ"

"Resolutions of the Sikh Convention"
"Sikh Panth will struggle for the region inside India where they can have automony."
"Disagreement over the issue of Khalistan – Diplomacy more effective than Weapons: Singh Sahib"
(Translation of Ajit newspaper headlines from August 5th, 1997)

In a seperate audio, Baba Gurbachan Singh Mahochahal shared his views on the treachary by the Ragi his predecessors.

Voice of Shaheed Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal:
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"The Ragi backtracked on his promise to uphold the resolutions on Khalistan, and has walked away from his duty. The Kharkoo Singhs put their trust in him, but he failed them. The Jathedar of Sri Akal Takht Sahib not be a person controlled by the Government."
- Shaheed Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal Bhai Daya Singh was later killed by the Indian forces near the village Jandiala Guru. Many members of Bhai Daya Singh were also killed in the coming months. Baba Gurbachan Singh Monchahal was killed in February 1993.


News report of Bhai Daya Sinh's Shaheedee


Babbar Khalsa Deputy-Chief Dissociates from Ragi


When it became clear that the Ragi was working in the interest of the central government, activists of the Babbar Khalsa International, who like other Jujharoo organizations had originally supported the Ragi in his early days at the Jathedar, also became suspicious of his activities.

An incident narrated by Babbar Khalsa International Deputy-Chief Bhai Sulakhan Singh Babbar stands out. Bhai Sahib was the main liaison between the Jathedars and the BKI leadership. During the late 1980s, Bhai Sulakhan Singh had made a surprise visit to the residence where Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh was staying.


Babbar Khalsa Deputy Chief Sulakhan Singh Babbar
had chastised the Ragi for violating Sikh Maryada

When Bhai Sulakhan Singh entered the Ragi's residence he discovered that the Ragi was in the middle of a meal that included objectionable items, including eggs and omlet. Being a Rahitvaan Singh Bhai Sulakhan Singh immediately scolded the Ragi for being an Akal Takht Jathedar and violating the Sikh code of conduct. The Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaefended the consumption of meat and stated they were considered Jhatka and thus allowed by the Panth. Bhai Sulakhan Singh further scolded him for making up such excuses, and for betraying the sacred position of the Takht, and stated this would be the last time he and the BKI organization would communicate with him.

Bhai Sulakhan Singh immediately left the Ragi's residence in disgust, and avowed that no members of BKI would ever keep any communications with Ragi or recognize him as a Jathedar since he had violated Sikh Rahit Maryada. Babbar Khalsa Singhs were known for their strict rahit, and would not allow anybody to enter the organization who was lax in the Sikh code of conduct. The organization believed that a Sikh who could not stay true to his Guru and His Rahit, would not stay true to the Sikh Nation and it's cause.

Interestingly, over the years further information has come out about the offensive dietary habits and shady morals of the Ragi, including the consumption of alcohol. Now he is often referred to as a "ਸ਼ਰਾਬੀ-ਕਬਾਬੀ ਜਥੇਦਾਰ" due to such transgressions.

One can only wonder how a man who had no commitment and devotion for the Panth, and lacked basic Rahit of Sikhi could hold such a position in the Sikh nation? There is no question that the Ragi was unfit to lead the Sikhs during those turbulent times. So why was a man who has no religious or Panthic loyalty installed at the Sikhs' apex Takht? Perhaps it was for a different cause - to undermine the Sikh leadership of that time, and create chaos in the masses. Isn't that what the Ragi is doing now? Undermining the Sikh leadership and creating chaos?

While determined GurSikhs sacrificed their lives for the Panth at that time, selfish individuals such as Ragi used the opportunity to gain personal wealth and fame, and continue to cause harm to the Nation. It is due to the traitorous actions of such people that the Sikhs are in this current state.

The echoes of the warnings given by the great Shaheeds Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal and Bhai Sulakhan Singh Babbar are as relevant as they were two decades ago. The question is - are we listening?

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Yes,

After I spent some considerable time writing an admin note, to the article used to start a new thread, I realized that you posted this exact article on another thread,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-t...tml#post117722

The panthic.org article was posted in this thread, link given above, and it was then brought up again as the thread starter on a second thread, Prof Darshan Singh Ji KhalsaARSHAN SINGH - A TRAITOR AMONG THE SIKHS. Therefore the threads have been merged.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28612
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The panthic.org article does not surprise me. Every other sentence is crafted to manipulate emotions and instinctual reactions ranging from hatred of Indira Ghandi, to distrust of the Congress Party, to Bhindranwale, to dimmed hopes of Khalistan. This is not information; it is propaganda.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28612

Now my suspicion is this. In the past 2 or 3 days news articles have been surfacing that suggest, but not openly report, that their may be some softening among the panj piaaree who signed the judgment against Professor Darshan Singh. The extremist positions expressed by the pro-DG adherents in the news and on the Internet does not seem to have been effective. Particularly harmful to them are articles and arguments that undermine Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. They are preaching to one another. And large segments of opinion both in India and in the Diaspora have not been swayed by these efforts to turn the tide against Professor Darshan Singh. The excessive emotional tone of the article tells me that this is a desperate effort to divide and conquer. Perhaps panthic.org thinks that by making Professor Darshan Singh seem like a liar about Khalistan that they can shave off some of his support among the Dal Khalsa and similar groups..

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Only an illiterate person can be influenced by deceptive and emotional propaganda like above. Bad for them is that Sikh Sangat has woken up! They are seeking accountability from Prof. Darshan, but what were these so called accusers themselves doing when all this was happening in 1984? It is utterly naive to blame others for your own shortfalls. The fact is the Khalistan as a Sikh cause was doomed from inception as there was no Gurmata (consensus) taken from Sikh Sangat...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28612

The fact is Pathetic.org and its biased so called Sikh Forums are run by the illiterate, for the illiterate, who hide behind fake Sikhi propagated by so called fake Sants, Babas, Pooran Brahmgyanis. They hide their ignorance against personal attacks and venomous campaigns in a failed effort to keep attention from the main issues. They use deceptive methods like shamelessly editing videos to incite a negative response. I, for one, would not take their s.hit even with a pinch of salt. End of the Story!
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