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The videos above were forwarded by respected forum member Tejwant Singh Malik.

I would like to make a suggestion. We should watch Jathedar Tarlochan Singh and Jathedar Iqbal Singh very closely in the media in the coming 2 weeks. Their actions and reactions in relation to the controversy surrounding Professor Darshan Singh will be critical.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/28123-who-calls-charitropakiyan-gurbani-jathedar-tarlochan.html

Jathedar Tarlochan Singh was an appointment of former Jathedar Vedanti, and seemingly at least, they were close associates on several fronts.

Jathdar Vedanti resigned under pressure/was sacked for speaking in favor of Khalistan when he visited in the US a few months back (that is one of the reasons given). Note: the official and panthic reason for his sacking is "dividing the panth" over Khalistan. However, Khalistan pro or con is not a legitimate topic for either a hukamnama or a gurmatta or any other kind of panthic discipline. Fact is he was removed on orders of BADAL. Khalistan is not good for Badal.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28123


Jatehdar Vedanti was succeeded by the current Jathedar Gurcharanjit Singh.

Jathedar Iqbal Singh is a sworn enemy of former Jathedar Vedanti.

There is a nexus in this mix, a connection, a tangled ball of twine, that has consequences for Professor Darshan Singh. Why? Well, Mr. Lamba, mastermind behind the sandesh against Professor Darshan Singh, also has an excellent working relationship with the present Jathedar of Akal Takht Gurcharanjit Singh. He did not have such a good working relationship with his predecessor Jathedar Vedanti. Does this sound like politics? Yes -- because that is what it is. Keep your eye on two people, Jathedars Iqbal Singh and Tarlochan Singh
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As per newspaper reports in India Vedanti was sacked because he praised Manmohan Singh as "Good Prime Minister and also a good Sikh". His speaking in favour of Khalistan was not publicised in India
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Re: Who calls Charitropakiyan Gurbani? Jathedar Tarlochan Singh

Yesterday on the occasion of observation of cremation of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji by Lakhi Shah Vanjara at Rakabgunj, Paramjit Singh Sarna president of DSGMC said that no Prachark, Kathavachak or Lecturer will be allowed to discuss pros and cons of Dasam Granth from the platform of DSGMC for the present.

He said that DSGMC will press for setting up a committee of respected intellectuals by Akal Takht (As promised, but not yet set up) to examine it in its entirety and come out with its recommendations. This should be on the lines of the committee which was set up, to come up with SRM in 1933.
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Until then he requested Sikhs not fan the controversy by constant bickereing.

But the question is are there any such intellectuals left who have an open mind on the issue?
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28123

Thanks for the information. Well that helps the argument along even more because BADAL does not see eye to eye with that claim either. In fact it had to be political poison for him to hear it.

Punjabionline.com reports this,

"The reliable sources said that Chief minister Parkash Singh Badal had himself told Vedanti telephonically to step down otherwise he would be sacked in the executive meeting of SGPC to be held today at Kurukeshtra.

Vedanti who had always stood by his political masters has in the recent past changed his tune and started showing signs of resistance on vital issues. Even his stand against Gurmit Ram Rahim Singh head of dera Sacha Sauda had hardened. "

PunjabNewsline.com - Akal Takht Jathedar Joginder Singh Vedanti resigns
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28123

But the thaiindian.com did report the pro-Khalistan comment
"Sources informed that in recent times Vedanti’’s statements had caused embarrassment to the Shiromani Akali Dal (Badal) group. A pro-Khalistan uttering during a visit to the USA, Vedanti’’s absence from India when two Sikhs were killed in clashes with Dera Saucha Sauda followers and his praise of PrimeMinister Manmohan Singh during the confidence vote on July 21 and 22, reportedly led to differences between him and Badal."
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Please also see another bit of information posted by me while you were responding to earlier post.
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Yesterday on the occasion of observation of cremation of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji by Lakhi Shah Vanjara at Rakabgunj, Paramjit Singh Sarna president of DSGMC said that no Prachark, Kathavachak or Lecturer will be allowed to discuss pros and cons of Dasam Granth from the platform of DSGMC for the present.

He said that DSGMC will press for setting up a committee of respected intellectuals by Akal Takht (As promised, but not yet set up) to examine it in its entirety and come out with its recommendations. This should be on the lines of the committee which was set up, to come up with SRM in 1933.

Until then he requested Sikhs not fan the controversy by constant bickereing.

But the question is are there any such intellectuals left who have an open mind on the issue?
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All I can say is WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for pointing that out!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I take your question very seriously.

A committee was supposed to be set up to resolve these issues nearly 3 years ago. Based on the events of these past 3 years, our knowledge of the infighting and petty rivalries among jathedars, and Badal's program of systematic cleansing of the Takhts and the SGPC, how can we trust a committee? Will its members not be at least subject to approval by Lamba?
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Any comittee set up in the present Jathedar set up of SGPC/Akal Takkhat etc will be Lamba comittee...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=28123
OTHERWISE WHY would Akal Tkahta/SGPC even give the tiem of the day to the Sant Samaaj types who DONT RECOGNISE SRM of SGPC/AT...BUT demand changes in nankshai Calendar ?? WHat Locus standi they Have ?? The asnwer is clear..they are demanding the calendar eb scrapped...their dg stand be recognised and made mandatory for all sikhs..and thus RSS stamp on AT be made properly and legal.
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Sardar (not Jathedar) Tarlochan Singh, Rajya Sabha MP also spoke at Gurudwara Rakab Ganj yesterday and said that, he had taken up with the Government to recognise Nanakshahi calender as it earlier had an approval of Akal Takht. Now with what face could he approach the government once more to make changes or drop the proposal altogether? He would be making a mockery not only of himself but the entire Sikh Community!
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