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One of the Phrases always thrown about...is that..Guru Gobind Singh Ji has written..and said..I DONT BELIEVE in Krishans, Vishnus, Shivjees and Brahmas..... This is Of course RIGHT becasue all the Other Nine Gurus also hold the same view and is supported in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

But here is the Catch-22....then WHY would GGS..go on an write a Voluminous..CHAUBIS AVTAAR......Krishan Avattar etc etc....??? Doesnt add up...

1. WHY does the "author" of bachittar natak..make a Collossal Mistake of saying that Guru Angad Ji and Guru Amardass Ji are BEDIS...wehn they are NOT. This is simply becasue the TWO DO NOT FIT into the Jigsaw Puzzle created by BN author that the BEDIS had Promised in a previous janam to Give back thier Kingdom to the SODHIS...So Guru nanak the BEDI...has promised to give back his "kingdom" to the SODHIS...problem arises becasue in between Guru nanak the BEDI..are the TWO PROBLEMATIC Gurus..Guru Anagd Jia nd Guru Amardass Ji....who are Trehean and Bhalla castes ??? so they are GLOSSED OVER.....wouldnt GGS KNOW all these FACTS ??
The Shaheedee of Guru Arjun..the compilation of GRANTH SAHIB..are not even MENTIONED in BN !!!! WHY ?? Becasue to the BN author..these are things he wants to FORGET !! He is trying to BREAK the Sikhs away from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..why mention facts about its compilation..
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The Battle fo BHANGANNI..in which Pir Budhu Shahs four sons and 700 Mulsims dies defendign Guru Ji...fails to get mention...why ?? MUSLIMS are Involved as FRIENDLY to GGS !!! Battle fo Chamkaur etc etc..no mention...becasue events follwoing those also involve Muslim Devotees of GGS...
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GGS writing an an "AUTOBIOGRAPHY"..and leaving out MAJOR historical facts ??? making historical mistakes... are we DUMB or DUMBER ??




 
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Re: Controversial Discourse by Prof Darshan Singh

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Here is a link to Chritropakyan of DG in English . This also includes the controversial charitar 21 & 22 , Tale of Anoop Koir ( Kaur supposedly )

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Re: Controversial Discourse by Prof Darshan Singh

Here is the TRUTH..the WHOLE TRUTH and Nothing but the TRUTH baout that "CD/DVD"..from the Horses mouth no less...( the owner/recorder Makhan Singh of Rochestor New York.)

SIKH NATION …. FOOLED ONCE AGAIN???!!!

Date: Maghar 5, 541 NS (Nanakshahi)

How many more times, are we the Sikh going to let the Anti-Sikh Deceptions fool us???!!!
… Ad infinitum???!!!

Well, if the Sikh Reaction to the latest MEGA-DECEPTION created by a TV Host by the name Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba (@ Jus Punjabi is any indicator; then there does not seem to be any hope for the Sikhs on the horizon.

It seems that once again we the Sikhs have been fooled into falling for the age old Bipar Trick of tricking the Sikhs with some OUT-OF-THE-CONTEXT non-sense, and then enjoying the Sikhs’ mindless reaction to such a deception. … (e.g. The way many of the Sikhs have mindlessly fallen for the Bipar-deception of accepting the Porno Trash of Charitro-Pakhyan as Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s writings,)

The latest episode in this saga of tricks is a heavily doctored OUT-OF-THE-CONTEXT TV broadcast by S. Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba@ Jus Punjabi; in which he turned the CONTEXT of Prof. Darshan Singh’s Keertan at Rochester NY Gurdwara Sahib upside down by converting a very pro-Guru Gobind Singh Jee presentation of Prof Darshan Singh’s into a very Anti-Guru Jus Punjabi broadcast. … The frustrated Sikh reaction to this episode needs no mention; because by now, everyone knows that the Sikhs are shaken up right to the top including their Akal Takhat in response to this broadcast.

Now let us search for the truth a bit by going into the background. … By now all of us know that there are three main actors in this episode namely; Prof. Darshan Singh; who did the Keertan; …. S. Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba; who did the broadcast of his heavily deceptive version of that Keertan; … and The Sikh Sangat of Rochester Gurdwara Sahib; who listened to the actual Keertan in its CONTEXT, and understood its message; ….. But, a few days later found itself in a very helpless and frustrated situation; when a completely OUT-OF-THE-CONTEXT version the Keertan held at their Gurdwara Sahib was broadcast @ Jas Punjabi to play a very cruel JOKE on the entire Sikh Nation. … Well, that is what is known so far to majority of us.

However what is not known is; … a) the CONTEXT in which Prof Darshan Singh spoke. … b) The possible reason for the distortions that the TV Host S. Lamba chose to do. … and c) The magnitude of Rochester Sangat’s frustration & helplessness.

To understand the episode in its completeness, please keep the following sequence of events in mind;
1.August 9, 2009: To make inroads with the Rochester Gurdwara Sahib Sangat, S. Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba came to the Gurdwara Sahib & delivered a lecture.
2.Aughust, 23, 2009: Prof. Darshan Singh came to Gurdwara Sahib & did his said Keertan.
3.End of Sept, 2009; at the request of Mr. Lamba, S. Makhan Singh of Rochester sent the DVD of Prof. Darshan Singh’s Keertan to S. Lamba in good faith. … (Therefore, not expecting any kind of foul play on part of S. Lamba, and not realizing the importance that the said DVD could acquire in a few days he happened to delete it from his computer).
4.Mid of October, 2009; The OUT-OF-THE-CONTEXT heavily edited DVD is broadcast by S. Lamba on Jus Punjabi.

ROCHESTER SANGAT’S FRUSTRATION;
5. After watching the distorted version of their DVD on Jus Punjabi many Truth-seeking Sikhs started calling the Rochester Sangat for a copy of the non-edited version of the DVD. Therefore S. Makhan Singh not having anything in hand asked S. Lamba to return his DVD, or to play the entire DVD on Jus Punjabi so that people could judge for them as to; where lies the TRUTH & where lies the FALSEHOOD?… However S. Lamba having found that S. Makhan Singh does not have anything in his hand to reveal the Truth about the deceptive broadcast; did neither, and started giving S. Makhan Singh a run around.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322
6.In his frustration. S. Makhan Singh did the following;
a.He requested the Jas Punjabi Management to play the un-edited version of the DVD in its entirety on Jus Punjabi. But had no luck.
b.Therefore having been left with no other choice, he sent his computer to computer specialists for retrieval of the said DVD at a price tag of $1000.
c.Also, he wrote a letter in this connection to “Sher-e-Punjab” newspaper. (Please see that letter at the end of this letter.)
7.Thus comes the un-edited version of the DVD on the Internet.
(Please CLICK below to hear the un-edited version of the DVD)

http://www.wakeupkhalsa.com/video-shabad.php

Now let us discuss the issues at hand.


CONTEXT: … The central theme of Prof. Darshan Singh’s massage as understood by the Rochester Sangat was that; …

“As per Guru Gobind Singh Jee’s directive Guru Granth Sahib is the only Guru of the Sikhs. Therefore no other book (like Dasam Granth etc.) should be considered as a co-equal of Guru Granth Sahib. … Stating its history he explained that;

During the Dogra Treachery period of Maharaja Ranjit Singh & the “please the Master” period of British Raj, when Dasam Granth (whose actual name is Bachittar-Natak-Granth, and at present in a deceptive move is named as “Dasam Sri Guru Granth Sahib” with the words Dasam in small letters & SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB in big letters) was introduced into the Sikh Gurdwara Sahibs to take the Sikhs away from Guru Granth Sahib.. … Next, during the Sikh period of awakening Dasam Granth was removed from all those Gurdwara Sahibs that fell under the Sikh control; however in the absence of the “All India Gurdwara Act, it couldn’t be removed from Gurdwaras outside of Punjab. Hence parkash of Dasam Granth as a co-equal of Sri Guru Granth Sahib in places like Hazoor Sahib, Patna Sahib & many other places continues till today. Such practices in any of the Gurdwaras are wrong & hence should be stopped; because nothing can equal Guru Granth Sahib.

Furthermore, from the Dasam Granth the Amrit Banis or other Guru related literature (aproximately 60 pages out of the total of 1429 page of the Granth) should be taken out, and rest of the Granth should be discarded. The reason for such an action is warranted because in this Granth majority of writings that are NOT written by Guru Gobind Singh Jee but are very deceptively associated with his name by the enemy quarters. … For example there are episodes in Dasam Granth, in which the enemies of the Sikhs in a very deceptive way have tried to portray the Guru Sahib as; … a) ordering his Sikhs to remove turbans from the heads of people urinating in the open; and then using these turbans to give Siropas to some Sikhs; …. b) Portraying Guru Sahib going to a prostitute etc. … Then he went into a detailed description of the Noop Kaur episode & explained the nonsense & impossibilities of this deception.”

Then he encouraged the Sangat to read all such literature themselves, so that they could realize first hand, the extent of the atrocities of such writings..

Majority of the Sangat understood the very loud & clear message in its context & nobody objected about anything.

REASON FOR MR. LAMBA’S DECEPTION;
Is S. Lamba on a mission to promote the Dasam Granth and other anti-Sikh literature in the West under the directions of some much bigger force? … Only, S. Lamba knows. … But his blatant act of JOURNALISTIC DISHONESTY in which he has projected a very pro-Guru Gobind Singh Ji message of Prof. Darshan Singh into an upside down Anti-Guru Gobind Singh broadcast, to fool the Sikh Sangat at large; and furthermore has misbehaved with S. Makahan Singh an innocent member of the Sangat; puts a question mark on S. Lambas’s integrity.

Therefore it is necessary for the entire Sikh Nation to investigate & find S. Lamba’s real motives; and the “INVISIBLE HAND (if any)” that is funding/helping his operation; through which he has been able to;
1. Become in-charge of the Sant-Sipahi magazine back home.&
2.A TV Host in the USA; … the place wherefrom a very vocal opposition to Dasam Granth is coming from.

Is he just a TV Host doing his job, or a part of some much bigger clique; that in a very calculated way is busy controlling the Sikh Airwaves; because

“If you control information; you control the people.”

Is S. Lamba a very intelligent man, who knows the Sikhs inside out? … Absolutely YES, he is!

However unfortunately, so were the men by the names of Ram, Sham, Gansham & Soom; who created the MEGA-DECEPTION of Bachittar-Natak-Granth aka DASAM GRANTH that we the Sikhs have not been able to resolve even today; and it is clinging to us like a CHRONIC VIRUS.

Should we continue getting FOOLED ad infinitum by it???!!! … Choice is ours to make.

Kirpal Singh, USA


(A personal note: The author has personally met and talked to quite a few members of the Rochester Gurdwara Sahib Sangat to dig out the information that is contained in the above letter.)

S. MAKHAN SINGH’S LETTER to Sher-e-Punjab:
(In case you can’t read it; then please look at the attachment.)


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Re: Prof Darshan Singh Discourse Video Doctored by S. Gurcharan Singh Lamba

If I am not mistaken, Prof. Darshan Singh ji is a Canadian citizen whose life may be in danger in India now. His courage to speak out about DG has made many Hinduised Sikhs with Baana very very angry because they can not promote their Hindutva agenda and push DG to the same level of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji if Prof. Sahib is still around as the positive "Berlin Wall".
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I am bewildered and ashamed at the same time to notice that there are no prominent Sikhs in India who can stand behind Prof. Sahib and defend him regarding what he has been talking about for years.

These Jathedars have the power but lack Gurmat wisdom which makes them more dangerous and puts Sikhi ideals in jeopardy.
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We can only hope that Gurmat prevails rather than Manmat from these bogeymen.


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Re: Prof Darshan Singh Discourse Video Doctored by S. Gurcharan Singh Lamba

I think he is in danger too. There is evidence in earlier posts to suggest that the police may not even respond to threats against him if they are made when he arrives India. I am not exaggerating or being overly emotional. There have been precedents for personal violence as the solution in the past.
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Let me share another clue. The link posted below was sent to me to prove a point about the political leanings of Gurcharanjit S. Lamba -- but having nothing really to do with this discussion. When I opened the link a strong beam of sunlight lit my field of vision. I saw something I had never before known.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322

You will see a large collection of videos in which Mr. Gurcharanjit S. Lamba educates the public on many topics.

Before you click on the link, let's review some recent events.

1. Mr. Gurcharanjit S. Lamba acquired a DVD from a Mr. Sekhan Singh of the Rochester NY Sangat. The DVD was allegedly evidence that Professor Darshan Singh is, in expressing his views of Dasam Granth, anti-panthic. I will keep it short.

2. Mr. Gurcharanjit S. Lamba sent an edited version of that DVD to the Akaal Takht, and a bogus letter from the Rochester Sangat was also sent complaining about Professor Darshan Singh.

3. The Akaal Takht with other Takhts was inspired to call Professor Darshan Singh to defend his "heresies" based in part upon this information. An Edict or sandesh was issued. First it was issued in its entirety prematurely on the Internet without a date or signature. Later it was issued with a date and signature.

4. Mr. Gurcharanjit S. Lamba appeared on JUS Punjabi TV along with the edited DVD and explained why Professor Darshan Singh should be "excommunicated" in so many words.

5. When Mr. Sekhan Singh offered a complete copy of the original file, JUS Punjabi TV refused to consider it. (Mr. Sikhan Singh had erased the original; however paid $1,000.00 US to have the file recovered by computer analysts.)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322

Why was the offer of a complete DVD refused by JUS Punjabi TV?

6. OK - -now you can open the link. You will see that Mr. Gurcharanjit S. Lamba has his own regularly scheduled TV spots on JUS Punjabi TV. JUS Punjabi TV is BTW a privately owned cable station.

TV Talk Show

Keep paging through this collection of editorials by Mr. Gurcharanjit S. Lamba, and you will discover that he even reports on the 2009 Indian elections, pre and post.

He is an unbiased observer of the Indian political scenery I presume? And, JUS Punjabi TV? What about that?

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Re: Professor Darshan Singh: A Case of a Missing Video File & Modern Mystery for Sikh

I heard that 579 pages og Sri Dasam Granth are devoted to objectionable material. I am not sure. Peple may say that I should first read it and understand it and then only I should comment but I have few questions:
Why was it considered more important to discuss it than other human behaviour aspects.
2. Why graphic details were required in the poetry. What was the need. What was being emphasized.
3. most puzzling is that no other religion needed to have all these aspects discussed even obliquely. Why was it done in our case. Was it because printing had already been invented and people had started writing books, poetry. So they thought to write about these aspects also?
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4. At some place we say women are equal and then we start writing about her prowess, that too in your primary text!
I am sure these questions does not need you to read entire granth even though I read the series in newspapers about three years back.
The matter was not that hot but it seems someone siezed the opportunity to encash it.
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