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17-Nov-2009, 11:10 AM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse i am viewing it currently.,, *
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17-Nov-2009, 11:49 AM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse If it is on patahai10.org it is probably edited. Sorry if I am being too cynical and I hope that I am wrong about that. | 
17-Nov-2009, 12:06 PM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse seems to be uncut, i viewed about 50%, nothing really controversial so far... | 
17-Nov-2009, 14:13 PM
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| | | | Re: Controversial Discourse Quote:
Originally Posted by satnamr46 Controversial Discourse Sikh clergy to listen to CD today Varinder Singh
Tribune News Service
Amritsar, November 16
Five Sikh high priests, led by Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh, will listen to a CD containing the alleged blasphemous remarks uttered by the former Akal Takht Jathedar, Prof Darshan Singh, during one of his recent discourses in New York, at a meeting at Akal Takht tomorrow.
The CD was given to the Akal Takht Jathedar by “sangats” of New York in support of their complaints against Darshan Singh during the former’s visit there.
Sources said after listening to the CD, the Sikh high priests would decide whether to summon Darshan Singh at Akal Takht to clarify his position or not.
Damdami Taksal has also lodged a complaint with the high priests against Darshan Singh.
“We will decide upon any action after listening to the recording of a programme of Darshan Singh at our meeting tomorrow. We have received a number of complaints in this regard from New York and other places,” said Giani Gurbachan Singh.
However, Darshan Singh said he was ready to appear before Akal Takht whenever asked to do so and “not before any person in particular”. “It seems that some sort of action is being contemplated against me under pressure from certain quarters. I am ready to present myself before Akal Takht. I will invite the entire panth to come there and answer all questions asked to me in their presence,” said Darshan Singh. | You know with all these witch hunts going on, Sikhism is going to be fragmented into so many pieces that there will be no Sikhi left.
The true Sikhs will become a minority sect and the rest a sect of Vaishno's. | | The following members appreciate Randip Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
17-Nov-2009, 18:17 PM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse Pat 10 Org is a mouthpiece of Panthic weekly..sant sipahi..Lamba etc etc...run by the same gang...and repeating the same propoganda and untruths.. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
17-Nov-2009, 22:10 PM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse If anyone does not believe Gyani is telling it like it is, then go to the site and take a look for your self.
And Randip ji -- I have exactly the same fears, though i wouldn't personally use the word "true" I know what you are getting at. Unfortunately Akal Takht is too bound up in political interests within Punjab and the ruling caste (sic) to make completely independent judgments.
I have several thoughts that it may not turn out bad in the end.
1. Professor Darshan Singh ji was once Jathedar himself. It would be almost ludicrous to turn him out of the panth without making Sikhism looking like a religion whose beliefs twist and turn and blow with every breeze.
2. There are too many sangats in the US, possibly Canada though I am unsure of this point) that are not going to buy an excommunication or even a stern punishment, because they can read with their own eyes and are too impregnated by the western ideal that discussion and debate are good, not bad. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/27322-professor-darshan-singh-case-missing-video.html
3. In the US diaspora, Sikhs see themselves as beyond the ways of dogmatism and internal bickering experienced by fanatics in the other religions around them. Those are the same fanatical groups that target, persecute and even murder Sikhs because of their turbans. Even new immigrants in a short time come to realize that open-minds are healthier than closed-minds. And there is too much financial support SGPC would stand to loose. But more important than financial is the very real loss of support of their leadership. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322
4. A gurmatta has not been called but is the prescribed way of dealing with divisive arguments and only as they pertain to divisions over Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Is this debate over Bachitar Natak on that level? Can the Akal Takht bring itself to bypass the democratic processes of Sikhism itself? Akal Takht would have to answer these questions out in the open to convince many sectors of the panth that they have any legitimate right to take action against Professor Darshan Singh. Surely they know this. They are cunning enough to know it.
5. Professor Darshan Singh - if called - would answer and travel to Akal Takht without any fear or reservation. I think he will be a convincing witness to watch. Whatever would come of the discussion would have so much grace that both sides would save face. I am sure of it.
6. There is a certain amount of media hype surrounding the actions of the Akal Takht these days coming from newspapers with Hindutva leanings. It is in the interest of Hindutva minds to turn this matter into hysterics.
These are only some of my thoughts. If the outcome were to appear negative for Professor Darshan Singh - and I don't think it would be without something creative coming from it. Remember that Akaal is Creative and Supportive and Destructive. Only the right thing will be the result. We cannot know what it will be yet. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
18-Nov-2009, 01:44 AM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse I want to point out another twist in this story. Satnam ji in the starting post reported this observation.
Five Sikh high priests, led by Akal Takht Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh, will listen to a CD containing the alleged blasphemous remarks uttered by the former Akal Takht Jathedar, Prof Darshan Singh, during one of his recent discourses in New York, at a meeting at Akal Takht tomorrow. The CD was given to the Akal Takht Jathedar by “sangats” of New York in support of their complaints against Darshan Singh during the former’s visit there. Sources said after listening to the CD, the Sikh high priests would decide whether to summon Darshan Singh at Akal Takht to clarify his position or not. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322
Damdami Taksal has also lodged a complaint with the high priests against Darshan Singh.
Now here is something to think about. In the opening days and hours of this breaking news story what you read above is exactly what was being posted on various web sites. I read several reports similar to this. Sangats in New York were disturbed. What sangats? A day later, an important discrepancy emerges. It is not "sangats of New York." That makes it seem as if many sangats in the US are disturbed. It was one sangat -- in Rochester, NY state - only one sangat. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322
As this story emerges let us see if we don't find that more misleading details are fed to the public in order to distort what is actually happening. For example, the main controversy has now become buried in a verbal game of ping-pong over a translation, who said what, and who wrote what, in the Charitropaykayan. | 
18-Nov-2009, 20:02 PM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse by Prof Darshan Singh I think the Akhal Takht jathedars need to resolve this one way or the other. But it seems they are in quite a predicament that they just want to stay quiet and hope for it to go away.
Either they agree with Prof Darshan and then need to ensure the Sikh community dont get divided because of the decision.
Or punish Prof Darshan which like a penji in the previous posts said, makes us look like fools who keep changing our views whichever way the wind blows.
Also, having Jathedar Iqbal Singh who is completely against Prof Darshan to begin with wont really help there being a civilised affair. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27322
I mean the Jathedars seemed to be stumped at the Raam Rahim Dera case and looked particulary silly because they kept convening meetings that did not do anything but frustrate the Sikh nation. All because they had interests on both sides.
It seems like blindfolded Sikh's have finally discovered the meaning of the word "Blasphemous" and seem to be using it whenever they hear something they dont want to! | | The following members appreciate SaintSoldier1699 Ji for the above message. | | 
18-Nov-2009, 20:20 PM
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| | | | | Re: Controversial Discourse by Prof Darshan Singh SaintSolider1699 ji
Thanks for a clear explanation. You summed a lot up and added some things I was not aware of. I did not realize that Iqbal Singh was another problem in the mix. Great post. | 
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