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Stop Sacrilege Now, Sikh Panth Sends Clear Message
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After days of immense patience in the face of highly provocative actions of some sections of the Ravidasia community, the Sikh panth has finally decided to show its resolve and tell the wayward elements that enough is enough.

In a show of unity and a considered approach to converge energies and send a clear message to tricky elements often finding some support from the official Indian establishment, the Sikh clergy, the SGPC, many panthic organisations and saner elements from Ravidasia community have now come together.

At a conclave at village Sarmastpur near Jalandhar, Akal Takht jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh made it clear that efforts to take out a portion of the Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib and to only propagate that portion have gone on for far too long and will not be tolerated any further.

But within 48 hours of the resolute stand taken unitedly by the Akal Takht, the other Sikh Takhts, the SGPC and the panthic organisations, a major section of the Ravidasia fraternity seemed to be seeing the logic. Samaj Bachao Morcha's convenor Sri Gian Chand and other presidium members of the Morcha convened a press conference on Sunday saying they strongly oppose segregating the Bani of Bhagat Ravidass ji from Guru Granth Sahib and it was a nefarious exercise being indulged in by a very small section.

Gian Chand said such an approach will only end up constricting and confining the range of Bhagat Ravidass' message.

Similarly, the Sri Guru Ravidass Sadhu Sampardai Society, the main organization of Sants of the Ravidassia community, also asserted full faith and respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib and said it was dead against any decision to remove the birs of Guru Granth Sahib from their shrines or deras.

Sources said the message is now reaching those who were leading the movement to displace Guru Granth Sahib from certain shrines. Sampardai Society president Sant Nirmal Dass Jaure Wale said the sants of the society had decided that there could be no getting away from the scripture that preaches egalitarianism and Sarbat Da Bhala and the emancipation of those oppressed by the centuries-old caste system.

Addressing the Sikh sangat on Saturday in the presence of fellow clerics from other Sikh Takhts, the SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar, Sant Samaj president Baba Harnam Singh Khalsa, Khalsa Action Committee's Bhai Mohkam Singh, AISSF's Karnail Singh PeerMohammad and many senior Akali leaders from different factions, the Akal Takht jathedar took serious note of sacrilege of Sri Guru Granth Sahib at village Moga of Bhogpur town in Jalandhar where some crackpot elements had displaced the bir of Guru Granth Sahib from the palki and instead placed a picture of a Ravidasia self-styled sant.

The sick mind identified

As All India Sikh Students President Karnail Singh PeerMohammad said a particular Congress leader, who was a minister in the erstwhile Amarinder Singh cabinet, was behind the moves of crackpot elements of Ravidasia community, there was much agreement on it. Clearly, Peer Mohammad was naming former minister Chowdhry Jagjit Singh who is known for his communal stance. There seemed to be a general agreement that such a fellow should be immediately sent behind bars to prevent any damage to communal harmony.


Now, sensing the level of rage among the panthic leaders and the Sikh sangat, certain people connected with the Moga gurdwara where sacrilege had happened and who were being named in the episode, approached Damdami Taksal's Bhai Harnam Singh the evening before the conclave on Saturday and said they were in no way connected with the sacrilege and would rather extend cooperation to bring the guilty to book.

Takht Damdama Sahib jathedar Bhai Balwant Singh Nandgarh hauled the government over coals saying while those fighting against Sirsa dera's fraudster baba were being arrested and put behind bars, no action was being taken against elements committing sacrilege of Guru Granth Sahib.

The clarion call to take a stand against those leading a sort of movement to get removed Sri Guru Granth Sahib from Ravidasia shrines and install portraits of controversial leaders of the Sachkhand Ballan dera and recite only the bani of Bhagat Ravidas followed after it became clear that someone needed to talk sense with a measure of firmness to the so-called followers of the Ballan dera.
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Former Akal Takht jathedar Bhai Jasbir Singh Rode said it was sad that the SGPC failed to find out the whole truth in Vienna. He said the Akal Takht jathedar should stop looking towards the SGPC or the Akali Dal leadership and should take his own decisions. "The fact remains that in Vienna, the so called self styled Ballan sect followers were indulging in sacrilege of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and it was this that led to the clash when local Sikhs objected to it," he said.

Now, the Samaj Bachao Morcha's Gian Chand has said he is trying to remove the bitterness among all sides. He said there is now increasing realization that segregating the 40 hymns of Bhagat Ravidass

from rest of the Gurbani was, advertently or inadvertently, negating the importance and relevance of the philosophy of Ravidass.

He said the birs will be brought back at most of the shrines very soon. Sources said the Ravidasia community leaders in India were feeling the pressure from their NRI counterparts in other countries who were leading the movement to displace the birs. The SGPC, it was suggested, should take the help of NRI Sikhs to counter such pressure. One more suspicious element leading the anti-Sikh charge was the self-styled Ambedkar Sena.

SGPC general secretary Sukhdev Singh Bhaur said any further step by anyone who tried to divide the gurbani or take out one portion will not be allowed and will be firmly put in his place.

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One thing always surprises me that why Religious Nri's and south Asians are so fanatics.
there are plenty of fanatic and orthodox sikhs outside India, BJP and RSS has mass support among
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NRI hindu's and much of their funds come from them.UK is now a well known place of fanatic muslims and now NRI ravidasi's which are putting pressure on Indian ravidasi's to remove Guru granth sahib.
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Kanwardeep Singh ji

Thanks for posting such an interesting article, with a lot of detailed information and a good picture of the point/counter-point issues and scnearios in a very complicated relationship.
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Old 26-Sep-2009, 05:22 AM
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The Ravidasia diaspora thinks on the ground of independent identity, many of them are are in fact wanting to be cut off from both the sikh and hindu identity.

They have been in great shock since the assasination. The Sant ji was well known and use to always travel and meet the followers. A ravidasia friend of mine is based in London, in these months I have seen a great change in him. He had cried out the day the assasination happened as he was close to the Sant ji. He now spends time online and is always kind of gathering people who think like him.
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Nowadays when I talk to him and even by accident if I say you know how our sikhs....he will cut me right there ' hey its not 'our' its 'your' I am ravidasia.. not sikh !!"

There is a growing feeling of separating from the sikh mainstream and establishing their own identity. I too feel that guilt and feel when i meet him I wont be able to see him eye to eye.
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Most of the Muslims who migrated to Pakistan..were Chmaars, mirasees, and other low castes who had "no hope" in India and hoped that somehow things would change in Muslim Pakistan..NOTHING CHANGED..they are at the very bottom of Pakistani Society just as they were in Pre partition India....somethings never change !!
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The SANT Ballan DERA shardhaloos are just that..DERA SHARDHALOOS...exactly the same as other DERA Shardhaloos...RS dera..Namdhari dera..gurmeet Dera..Asutosh dera..whatever..the only difference in this case the Ballan DERA followers are Mostly Chamaars..ravidasiis...while those of other deras are MIXED...but all other thing s being equal they are all DERA FOLLOWERS...NONE ARE SIKHS. One thing i am sure about is IF they remain as DERA Ballan followers..they will REMAIN Ravidassi chmaars...among chmaars..CLOSED COMMUNITY....as the chmaars in Pakistan remain mulsim chmaars without Land whcih the Muslim jatts continue to own. ONLY AS SIKHS can they BREAK OUT of this self imposed exile...They can attempt to ..."take Ravidass out of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/SIKHS...BUT they can NEVER take the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/SIKHS OUT OF RAVIDASS..as the TWO are GLUED so TIGHT that no force can take them apart.....GLUED WITH GLUE OF PYAAR BY GURU NANAK/GURU ARJUN JI SAHIB.
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Gyani ji,

I think faujasingh jis point has been missed.

Whatever might have been the provocation, a group of so called upper castes "Sikhs" had no business whatsoever to to enter a place of worship in a foreign country and create mayhem there.

It is precisely because of such repeated insane acts of a few "Sikhs" that we do not get proper support internationally for redressal of even our genuine grievances.

Guru ji asked us to take up arms for the defense of weak and not to attack the weak.

The sad part is that even after the attack the response of Sikhs was subdued and there was no loud and clear message distancing the Sikhs from the attack.

Its time that we emphatically start disowning the acts of a few nuts.
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And by the way calling Dalits by casteists names is now a criminal offense in India!
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The Ravidasia diaspora thinks on the ground of independent identity, many of them are are in fact wanting to be cut off from both the sikh and hindu identity.
It is not so easy to create a separate identity .Many spiritual paths were started in India
and with time many of them dissappeared or merged in Hinduism.I think they are moving towards hinduism.The ashes of sant Ramanand were taken to Hardwar .Now can any Ravidasi explain what is the significance of Hardwar For Ravidasi's.

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There is a growing feeling of separating from the sikh mainstream and establishing their own identity. I too feel that guilt and feel when i meet him I wont be able to see him eye to eye.
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Its surprising to me why do you feel guilty .No one knows the truth behind the assasination
No sikh leader said that Sant Ramanand should be killed.Whether it was fanatic Sikhs,Dera politics,
Bjp.Congress ,Badal anybody could be behind the assasination but in No way entire sikh community should be blamed or feel guilty
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Here is anti sikh propaganda from a amberkarite site in disguise of bhagat ravidas ji


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PROLOGUE: Will murderous attack on Vienna Ravidas Gurdwara bring about any change? NO! They will continue as Ravidasia Sikhs/Adi-Dhrarmi Hindus. Most Ravidasi Gurdwaras will disown sant Rama Nand and follow Sikh Maryada in full. Even Ravidasi Sants will change their system and become real Sikh preachers. Following article written long back is more relevant today. Baba Sahib’s path is the quickest, the safest and completely metamorphosing personally and collectively. Just read, think and act.
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Its surprising to me why do you feel guilty .No one knows the truth behind the assasination
No sikh leader said that Sant Ramanand should be killed.Whether it was fanatic Sikhs,Dera politics,
Bjp.Congress ,Badal anybody could be behind the assasination but in No way entire sikh community should be blamed or feel guilty
You are absolutely right Kanwardeep Singh ji. That is why there should have been an immediate and emphatic message from mainstream Sikhs clearly condemning the attack and distancing themselves from the act. There should also have been declaration of solidarity with the community.
Unfortunately that did not happen. Whatever response was there, it was muted and came only as an after thought
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