Jhatka Used for Tilak

faujasingh · #19 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 23:30 PM

Caste and diet are differences hard to resolve, on face they agree but their inner self does not let them sublime. I would never wish that the Panth split but i really dunno where are we going. There is a lot of cleaning to be done.
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Tejwant Singh · #20 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 23:44 PM

Panth is already split into different "Manmat Sects". All different Jathas fall into this catogory. We make our own rules and call ourselves Sants and babble what attracts money rather than Gurmat. We keep Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as an idol so people can leave money in front of it and fail to follow our Gurus' teachings.

This meat thing is a guilt trip concocted by some Jathas to lasso people like Matharu veer ji. There are many more like him who are stuck in the same net by the same people who have no idea what Gurbani teaches us.

So, once we start studying the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our ONLY GURU, and start putting the teachings given to us in this wonderful tool box, then only we can call ourselves Gursikhs and pass on what we have learnt to others like the scent of a flower which emits its scent in all directions sans bias. This is what true Sikhi is all about. Nothing more.
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Tejwant Singh

faujasingh · #21 (**permalink**) 23-Sep-2009, 23:59 PM

Vegeterianism is pre dominantly a virtue in the minds of the people of Indian origin and then it became a status. They started digging for it in the Bani too and if they found something that suit their opinion, without even getting the context in which anything was said, they just jumped on it.

I would say if you promote vegeterianism dont trample on non vegeterians, i feel it is good to be a vegeterian although i had been one only for a period of 5 years.Things can be said in different ways unfortunately they are not !

I also would agree to a group of sikhs like 3ho who are for vegeterianism. This is a social aspect and its good to have our share in promoting it. But we need to understand that being a vegeterian and being a sikh cannot be interconnected.
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I have read on other sikh sites where they curse and slander the budha dal nihangs for the chatka. There is no end to such tantrums. We have to just fold our hands and say 'do what is good for you and let me do what is good for me'

harbansj24 · #22 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2009, 05:53 AM

Well said faujasingh ji. We have been repeatedly coming to the same conclusion of this being a personal choice.
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But I would like to add one thing. None of our Gurus promoted vegetarianism. But they did talk about "sanjam" or moderation. Our eating of non veg should be need based and we should not be seen as gluttonous meat eaters.

Unfortunately that exactly is the image of Sikhs. Eat merrily and wash it down with generous amount of whiskey! All our gurus have actively prohibited taking of intoxicants. But a majority of Sikhs are great drinkers. In fact if you go to any market in Punjab, every fourth shop is liquor shop. The consumption of alcohol in punjab is the highest in India. I do not have the stats but I guess that the quantity consumed in Punjab must be equal to the rest of India!

faujasingh · #23 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2009, 06:05 AM

You are right harbans ji, what we need to understand is our Gurus were neither for it or against it. There are so many saloks where you find that vegeterianism is promoted and many others which tell us to not wrangle over it .

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Liquor addiction is a huge prob in states all over India where there is stress laid on no consumption at all ! Gujarat, Punjab, Rajasthan all are leading . What goes along is wife beating and many other factors leading to bankruptcy.

Randip Singh · #24 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2009, 13:31 PM

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Originally Posted by harbansj24

Unfortunately that exactly is the image of Sikhs. Eat merrily and wash it down with generous amount of whiskey! All our gurus have actively prohibited taking of intoxicants. But a majority of Sikhs are great drinkers. In fact if you go to any market in Punjab, every fourth shop is liquor shop. The consumption of alcohol in punjab is the highest in India. I do not have the stats but I guess that the quantity consumed in Punjab must be equal to the rest of India!

Ironically I know many Sikhs who are great alcohol drinkers yet vegetarians.

They say to me they are not harming any life....but I think to myself they are harming the most precious of life. Human Life!

Randip Singh · #25 (**permalink**) 24-Sep-2009, 13:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

Panth is already split into different "Manmat Sects". All different Jathas fall into this catogory. We make our own rules and call ourselves Sants and babble what attracts money rather than Gurmat. We keep Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as an idol so people can leave money in front of it and fail to follow our Gurus' teachings.

I think, once a section of Sikhism becomes a teaching or interpretation of one person, rather than Guru Paanth, it becomes Maanmat. I think you are right on this point.

SGPC, maybe imperfect, but it is a form of democracy.

baljeet_singh · #26 (**permalink**) 28-Apr-2010, 01:35 AM

I had a question about the whole jhatka think. I read the article which explains why the Nihangs of Hazur Sahib do it etc. but I still don't understand what the actual point of the tilak is? I don't understand how goat's blood has anything to do with shastar... and if it is purly symbolic.... then what is the point of killing the animal purely for some kind of ritual involving blood?

Narayanjot Kaur · #27 (**permalink**) 28-Apr-2010, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Randip Singh

I think, once a section of Sikhism becomes a teaching or interpretation of one person, rather than Guru Paanth, it becomes Maanmat. I think you are right on this point.

SGPC, maybe imperfect, but it is a form of democracy.

Almost one year later. Randip ji Do you still agree with this statement. Or were you speaking of SGPC in theory as a form of democracy?