Sikligars, Vanjara Sikhs - The Heroes Forgotten?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 12-Sep-2009, 05:12 AM

Heresa view on the vieanna incident which sheds more light...hopefully the truth will emerge..
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Dr W Owen Cole wrote that when visiting India in 1983, he was taken to meet "the Satguru of the Ravidasis" at Varanasi. To quote, "He lived some way outside the sacred part of the city, where Ravidas had chosen to end his days....Religions should be organisms rather than organisations and so I found these people to be. They had turned from Sikhism from which they hoped to gain improved social status or at least acceptance, and were in the process of moving further towards total independence.....The Satguru told me that many other hymns existed [in addition to those in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji] and that a Hindi collection was being compiled . ULTIMATELY, THE SIKH SCRIPTURE WOULD BE REPLACED BY THEIR OWN AND THE LANGUAGE OF THE SIKHS WOULD GIVE WAY TO HINDI, THUS ENABLING THE RAVIDASIS TO BECOME MORE THAN A PUNJABI-BASED MOVEMENT" (The capitals are mine.)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/26684-sikligars-vanjara-sikhs-the-heroes-forgotten.html
As an afterthought Dr Cole adds, "Whether they would ever become more than a dalit movements of chamars or cobblers, like their founder, is more uncertain. "
(Autobiography "Cole Sahib - the story of multifaith journey", Sussex Academic Press, p. 143 (The book was sent to me for review).

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26684
That was in 1983 when Dr Owen Cole visited India. So, the dalits are simply carrying on with their pre-planned agenda - the Vienna incident is an excuse.
(My item at The Sikh Times is relevant.)

Gurmukh Singh (UK)

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 12-Sep-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

Gyani ji

Please forgive me but are there any sizeable number of Dalit sikhs outside punjab?
and where they have numbers Like Uk they have created their own Gurdwara's.

In democracy with numbers things like leaders,places of worship automatically come's

Anyway if the report is true then sikhs should try to integrate them in mainstream sikhism and make sure that in next census of India they will call themselves as sikhs

Kanwardeep singh ji,

IN Malaysia/Singapore/Thailand/Indonesia/Australia/NZ region there are a substantial number of Dalits Kamboj Mazhbi etc..BUT they share the same Gurdwaras with US. IN Singapore they used to have a Ravidass Sabha but not anywhere else. Our Gurdwara cater to all SIKHS and we have no problems with anyone...Dalits have become Pardhaans !!
About the UK..i dont have any figures...

2. The way things are going..the Majority Community is pulling more strongly...only the STRONGLY GROUNDED SIKHS will resist the ultimate Black Hole of Hinduism...

harbansj24 · #12 (**permalink**) 12-Sep-2009, 05:54 AM

Originally quoted by Ausi Desi Ji.

I've seen Banjaras etc. I doubt they are Sikhs. If they are, they are hiding it pretty well. Yes Ausi Desi Ji,

I too have seen these Vanjaras. I too was not aware that they are Sikhs.
But their behaviour is like that of true Guru Nanak Sikhs. They go about their work quietly. Unlike other tribes of India they do not make nuisance of themselves and do not indulge in any criminal activity. Yes I too have marveled at their skills.

harbansj24 · #13 (**permalink**) 12-Sep-2009, 06:00 AM

Originally quoted by Ausi Desi Ji.

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I've seen Banjaras etc. I doubt they are Sikhs. If they are, they are hiding it pretty wel

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Yes Ausi Desi Ji,

I too have seen these Vanjaras. I too was not aware that they are Sikhs.
But their behaviour is like that of true Guru Nanak Sikhs. They go about their work quietly. Unlike other tribes of India they do not make nuisance of themselves and do not indulge in any criminal activity. Yes I too have marveled at their skills.