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I kinda didn't get what your saying.....But i would like to ask are you saying we don't need Chandi di Vaar..
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Yes, Of-course. It has nothing to do with the great principals of SIKHI
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I kinda didn't get what your saying.....But i would like to ask are you saying we don't need Chandi di Vaar..
What I am saying is this.

1. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is COMPLETE. There is nothing wanting..everything is there. So there is no truth in those who say .." we need Chandi dee Vaar..because it is to infuse Martial arts/feelings of valour/battle preparedness/beer rass etc etc...and all THAT is NOT ENOUGH IN Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ??
WHEN GURU NANAK JI was "GURU"....His SIKHS did not seek anything elsewhere. PERIOD.
Exact same...for all the GURUS....even wehn the GURU was a "child" of 8..( Guru Harkishan Ji )....the GURU was Sarab kala SAMPOORAN. No one even remotely dare suggest that since the Guru is a mere CHILD..we "need" advise from someone older..matured ??
The 9 Year OLD GOBIND RAI was competent to LEAD all SIKHS without any need of any outside help.
NOW its the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that occupies the THRONE of "GURU Nanak-Gobind Singh"....and its BLASPHEMY for anyoen to suggest we "need" OUTSIDE help/advise/beer rass/whatever as the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji cannot/is unable to FULFILL OUR NEEDS ??????.

AS "Literature"...its perfectly all right to read Chandi dee vaar....Bachittar natak....as is of course Shakespeare..or Karl Marx or Sigmund Freud...the MORE one reads the better !!!..BUT the Bottom Line is ONLY Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the GURU..and no equals.

BTW I read Chandi dee vaar...its a thrilling piece of wrok..superb mastery of words..one can HEAR the CLANG of weapons....and cries of valour...shrieking demons and all.....FANTASTIC !!! I enjoy it so often....sometimes late at night...Uts a masterpirce fo Indian literature.....BUT its NOT GURBANI equal of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...which is Khasam ki Bani...

Thats all. Hope all is clarified.
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I think another point people need to understand regarding ChandiDi Vaar is that the bit that we recite in our ardas corresponds is an opening invocation, that is independent of the main tale of Durga.
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Yes dalsingh ji....and that Paurree may have been "added to the main CDV to "aithenticate" it just like Ragmala was added to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Sikhs have always had powerful enemies and saboteurs who are adept at such subterfuge...look at how the myriads fo babas and snats deras etc are busy as bees adulterating and dissing Sikhi/Gurmatt and taking away peopel from GURBANI towards their own deh worship.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/25076-chandi-di-var-translation-youtube-video.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25076
The person who recently desecrated the Peerha of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in harmandir Sahib is a Radha soami follower whose room has the photo of the RS Guru placed on Pillows exactly like the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is parkashed...so that incident is not so innocent anymore...
WE must eb ever vigilant and alwasy at the service of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..the One and ONLY GURU. Period. No ifs and no buts and no maybes...and True SERVICE of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is UNDERSTYANDING GURBANI and follwoing it..not just matha teking and bowing.
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That is also the point where we have to "explain" all that mytholigical BS, exaggerated demons and dragons and blood drinking vampirtes etc etc..stuff that is straight out of Merlin and King Arthur types of BS..who needs all this..when we have the Perfect Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji....
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Gyani ji, do you know where dhadi fits into all of this? I noticed that it has certain rhythms that are re-occuring and these extend to popular Panjabi culture, as they are sometimes heard in commercial Panjabi songs.
Veer Ji,

A Vaar is a POEM specifically meant to be SUNG according to a DHUNNI...with Dhadd Sarangee and in a Chorus and such an atmosphere creates and maintains Valour, Beer Rass, raises the Spirits. Dhadees stand and sing...another unique stance only for Vaars.
Guru Hargobind Ji sahib popularised these Vaars by choosing the appropriate Dhunnis and Sung them...to prepare the Sikhs to FIGHT agaisnt INJUSTICE.

A Vaar cannot be sung according to Traditional Raag/music by musicians on vaja tabla etc.
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