Ardas Over Food = Purification Like Halal?

seeker3k · #**100** (**permalink**) 26-Apr-2009, 01:23 AM

Dear VSGrewal ji,

You said it lot better then I could have. We Sikhs always talk about what is in GGS. This statement is wrong. It sound that it is in only this GGS is right. Spirituality is all over in every walk of life. It is not one religion’s domain. All the religions are made by men. Men are corrupt power hungry greedy. We Sikhs claim that what is in GGS it came from God. Do we make a claim about our Gurus bani came from God or other bhagat,sants’s bani too.
There is nothing in GGS that is new. It has been said before by many people. We celebrate our Guru’s birth day and their death. I have not seen we celebrating bhat and sant’s birth dayds. Yet we claim that GGS is our Guru. When we chose some and not the other it make us bias. How those people feel about it when we neglect their Gurus.
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Is there a need to celebrate of dead people when we have so called living guru.
Looks like we do not really believe that this is living guru. I know this statement will make many people angry. But truth heart.
One of the person replied to my question that the Truth is Truth. There are over 6 billion people in this world, that’s how many truths there are. No one is really interested in knowing the truth. We can not handle the TRUTH. We look for other people’s writing to certify our truth and claim that it is the truth. If one want to know the Truth he/she must examine his/her own truth.. Getting birth in Sikh family does not make us sikh. We must study the Sikhism to the core and weed out the faulty rituals that take us away from the spirituality
What is the real purpose of keeping the 5K’s. It is the soul that we should be worring about. The body and all the K’s will be left here. This is the message in the GGS, as I can understand it. Making the khalsa was needed then and I do respect Guru Gobind Singh for creating the Khalsa. That is not, be all and end all. If doing our rituals are going to save our soul as we believe. Then other relious rituals are as good as ours. Yet ignore and hate other beings. Is this what Guru Nanak wanted or Guru Gobind Singh? I refuse to belive that. Why? Because I have unbhub my experiences. I started on this path back in 1971. Then one of the person showed me how to realize my self. I started as a ritual but all the rituals are dropped now. If that will take me to hell as others say to me, then so be it. I know the TRUTH that’s all that matter. As now I can not be bound by any rituals.
This sabd guru, you are talking about. Can you explain what it is and how it works?
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Nanak talked about it. As you know or may not know this sabd guru as waheguru was not there at the time of Guru Nanak. Then what was he talking about? Why are we stuck that this is sabd guru. Did Nanak kept it secret as the group of Bhai sahib Randher Sing’s group claim. I believe that sabd is guru that’s all we need. It is not only in Sikhism. The naam sabd was there in the begging and it will be here for ever. Maybe some can explain how it works. The sabd is not in isms. But people make religion in the name of sabd.
Ask your self why I am doing what I am doing. Then you can know your self. It start with knowing one self. There is no rituals needed. May be in the begging it is needed. As we go to school to learn. Every year we move to next class to learn more by leaving the pervious class behind. If we chose to remain in same class over and over. We will know every thing that is taught in that class but will not know and will miss out what we could have learned in higher class.
Choice is yours.

har13 · #**101** (**permalink**) 24-Jul-2009, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by randip singh

I know that what we do is for blessings, but it is the behaviour of our people, it is as if the food has been purified. That is what I am trying to get at.

Randip Singh ji,
I agree with you. I also think that Ardas is for thanks to God who provides us food.
Not for purifying food.
However we usually recite gurbani when making langar. And ardas before taking it.

Regards,
Har

har13 · #**102** (**permalink**) 24-Jul-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by seeker3k

Here we are talking about soul not the body.So when Indian gov declair that Sikhs are terrorist then you have problem. In this case you approved their ruling. Becouse it suit you. You admit that you are not holy soul that can get the bani from akal purkh. How can you know that it is from akal purkh. This akal purk can not speak by him/her self? Every one can claim that akal purkh is talking to him/her. There are other kind of people in India that the bhoot posess them the bhoot speak through them. Don’t tell me that akal pukh is bhoot. Would you believe me if I tell you that I am from another planet. I am here to see if people here are doing as I told them to do? I am sure you will not. Why do you belive what is written in the book as poems. I can say that poems are good have good message, that’s all. So are the other holly books beside kuran.
All relious people claim that their holy books are the word of god. Christain claim that Jesus is the only son of God, but you don’t believe them. Becouse you are using logic and dot take their word for it. So why do want me and other Sikhs to believe you that it is living guru. There is no living thing about this book. The massage in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is to naam simran. And do no harm to any life.No where in the book it say to worship the book.Guru Nanak condemn all what we are doing now in his name. If you have problem understanding then I suggest that you should get help from some one who can explain it to you.
Looks to me you have no experience Unbhab of your own. You just want to believe in the ritual. Do you really think that by doing the rituals you can please God? Can God be pleased or anger? By worshiping book as god you are lowering god to your level.
Do the naam simran then you will get some unbhab. Youwill see then what it is.Not just reading the book.
I am sure you have read books in school and learned trade, yet you don’t worship those books. Is that what Nanak wanted us to do? Where is Nanak’s writings that tells us that we should worship his writing.
When murder case go to judge. The judge has to listen all the evidence from a natural point. He is not bias if he is then it will not be justice. You are sikh because you were born in it. How many other religion have you studied before you became sikh? How do you know it is the best of the rest? There maybe ( I maybe wrong ) only about 5% amartdhari Sikhs in the world. Yet 95% are normal Sikhs. Are all these Sikhs going to hell because they are not amratdhari? What about the rest of the world population of the world? It is all about the soul. Think what you are believing. The very same thing I am saying now was said by Nanak. Then the people stoned him called him kuria. People like you are going to be here for ever.

Sat sri Akal ji,
Have you heard about baba Nand singh Ji, who made it true " pargat guran ki deh"

According to my point of view everyone needs a teacher which can show him/her a path. So Guru Granth sahib ji is a teacher ( Guru) which shows us correct path of life.
Hyms are not just poems. Every line teaches us a lesson. So I think it is not bad to give respect to a teacher/ guru. So we do. It is true we are born in a sikh family. Our Guru read every religion and gave us the best things of all. So we do not have any need to read any other religion.
We know when we start ""rasna japti tu hi tu"". there is nothing left.
So Guru Granth Sahib ji is our Guru.

If other religion want to give repect to their holy books it is up to them.

Regards,
Har

vsgrewal48895 · #**103** (**permalink**) 24-Jul-2009, 08:49 AM

Dear All,

Please recite before eating any food to pay our gratitude to Akal Purkh for providing us with that;

ਜਿਹ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਛਤੀਹ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਖਾਹਿ ॥ਤਿਸੁ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਉ ਰਖੁ ਮਨ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
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Jih parsāḏ cẖẖaṯīh amriṯ kẖāhi.Ŧis ṯẖākur ka▫o rakẖ man māhi.

By His Grace, you partake of the thirty-six delicacies; enshrine that Lord and Master within your mind. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Gauri Sukhmani 5th Astpadi, AGGS, Page 269-14

Cordially,

Virinder S. Grewal

harbansj24 · #**104** (**permalink**) 24-Jul-2009, 12:47 PM

While doing Ardas we say "Waheguru, we place before you, the Prasad and Langar which you are requested to bless and give permission to serve to the Sangat.
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The meaning is quite straightforward. So obviously there should not be any wastage of such prasad and langar.

Archived_Member5 · #**105** (**permalink**) 24-Jul-2009, 15:31 PM

You will find upon closer examination many religious and cultural rituals and ceremonies can be explained scientifically in a spiritual sense.

Life and existence is a constant ongoing chemical reaction, experiences with others, social and interpersonal interaction all depends upon synchronicity, aligned minds, or spirits, or mindsets or an established physical order. The electrical charges emitted by the individual not only determine his attitude and thermodynamic magnetic field {positive or negative} but also gauges the responses to his interaction with his world. Human beings are powerful portals of electromagnetic energy, this energy if stabilised creates an aura of harmony and affinity with the environment and internally with oneself.

A perfectly well balanced and healthy individual is able to function solely upon the chemical nutrients emitted by the brain of a healthy strong willed mind. This is the ultimate state of Sahej for Ascetics. Realistically mans task should be to obtain maximum output to minimum energy input. Prayer and Ardaas prior to feasting is probably based upon this Spiritual system of supplication of the physical receptors to nutrition, enhancing nutritional absorption and maximising the goodness derived from the food consumed.

It is medically well documented a strong steadfast mind creates a fortress like firm body and fine tuned digestive system. This is evidenced in happy people remaining healthy and active on bread and milk staples, whilst stressed and pressurised miserable beings regardless of the expensive and lavish banqueting suffer many maladies’ and bodily dysfunctions because the bio-systems inability to properly absorb and digest nutrients extracted from the food, inhibited further by the excessive energy requirements that heightened states of mental stress and a pressurised psyche demand.

Ardaas literally calms in readiness the digestive system and spirit to maximise absorption of essential nutrients. You may find upon further examination near all Sikhi tradition and customs are rooted in a deep wisdom and knowledge of mans participle role in his world and his ability and objective in gaining mastery of will, mind and thereby body. The thanking The WaheGuru for his benefaction also serves to remind the human of his vulnerability and susceptibility to of availability of food sources vital for his survival.
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With regard to wastage or ’’nyiatt’ the greed is prohibited by the sacred law of taking a portion sufficient for one’s lifestyle energy requirement or body usage, overcoming greed born of fear of food shortage and the ingrained need for humans to amass fat stores in case of emergency famines. In this age these basal instinct requires overriding and the mind and body re-programmed to think in terms of requirement than gluttonous or inadequate disproportionate consumption to energy needs in relation to metabolism.

Scientists, Philosophers and researchers of truth are arduous scholars of a truth, Gurmat or Wisdom is present and part of the soul of a Saint and Brahm Giani. Whilst finding great knowledge in the pursuit of truth in the aforementioned, there is nothing to compare to the prose and poetry of the Bani written by the hand of our Guru Ji. ...

seeker3k · #**106** (**permalink**) 25-Jul-2009, 01:35 AM

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Randip Singh · #**107** (**permalink**) 26-Jul-2009, 14:44 PM

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Originally Posted by har13

Randip Singh ji,
I agree with you. I also think that Ardas is for thanks to God who provides us food.
Not for purifying food.
However we usually recite gurbani when making langar. And ardas before taking it.

Regards,
Har

Unfortunately a lot of people assume ardas somehow purifies food.

How can we as men and women purify Gods creation?

Archived_Member5 · #**108** (**permalink**) 26-Jul-2009, 17:30 PM

The relation between mind, body and focus of consumption – A devotee at the end of Kirtan takes the sacred Parshaad being dispensed by the Gyani, to him its sweet nourishing oil is as manna to his palette. He says Waheguru’’ to distributor and fills his belly and soul with the satisfying mix of wheat, sugar and butter. It satiates a hunger no amount of food can do. Post consuming he gently massages teh residual oil onto his hands marvelling at how they glisten with the Holy Food. His spirit is satisfied. He does not know whether it was braised sufficiently or contained enough quantative ratios of sugar and butter, only that it is given by grace of God to the hungered in Spirit. He is nourished and requires little else. As a Mothers cooking is to the weary traveller. He may eat in many restaurant’s, have the inexhaustible wealth to eat where so his heart pleases, and does, to find no greater fare than the simple vegetarian bhangon ki purji, aloo matter ki sabji, or kheer cooked with a Mother’s Love, simple fare made ineffably nourishing by the hand that dispenses it with love and best intent.
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Scenario 2 - An unappreciative mean and fickle mind individual takes parshaad from the Gyani at the Gurdwara, she finds it oily or dry, too sweet or not insufficiently roasted, she pulls a face critical of the inadequate catering skills of the cook, and suggests to the Gyaani he distribute tissues to clean surplus ghee away from the hands post eating the Parshaad. The women is uptight closed minded, probably retentive exposing her to threat of illness and dysfucntion and lacking in the beholden grateful mindset to take of the sacred Parshaad in the spirit of the goodwill intended.
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Food is purified by the chemical process of a healthy mind releasing endorphin like chemical when chanting Ardas. These powerful chemicals literally destroy any present toxins in the gut, in turn maximising potency of the nutritional content of the food. A chemical process in a healthy gut makes bread more nourishing to the healthy belly than a thousand ‘organic’ or ‘’home reared’ advertised foodstuffs achieving no such success in highly strung fastidious irreligious constitutions.

It is essentially the link between the dilated mind and body supplicated and amenable to the Spirit in which the daily food or Parshaad is offered. The Ardaas reminds us of The Great Benefactor, The Supreme WaheGuru’s grace and love offered as sustenance. The food is better digested and availed of any nutritional constituents when Love is present. The digestive system is inextricably linked to the mind, Ardas makes mindful the individual in readiness to optimise absorption of nutrition and optimise enjoyment of the food and life in general in the sense of knowing we are tended to and under the Grace of The Almighty WaheGurMat. ...