Short-hair ban on Gurudwara Marriages

You say that that uncut hair was required of a Sikh even before Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's time, please provide proof for this claim, thank you!

-Beeba

 
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I totally agree with what you are saying, these types of bans are only going to stratify and segregate our community. Being one of the youngest religions, we are already so divided amongst ourselves, why create more division and hatred? By this ban, Sikhs are pushing away their own and the generations to come and it will only create conflict and ill will. I think the fundamental concepts of Sikhi are being forgotten, morals that are the defining facets of Sikhism. These being, EQUALITY, JUSTICE, UNIVERSITALITY, BROTHER/SISTER-HOOD, LOVE, PEACE, ONE-NESS WITH GOD, SHARING, SANGAT (please forgive me for any mistakes...)
First of all, I don't believe that any where in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Dasam Granth, Rehit Nama etc. does it say that Monas should not get married in the Gurdwara, even non-sikhs.
You (whom ever presented this idea of banning) think you are going to create more sikhs by banning them? This is not the way to do it. When a child does something wrong, the mother does not simply kick him/her out, she makes hiim understand, loves him and coaxes him into coming to reason.
I personally think that Amrit chakna is a very personal thing, a huge step in our faith and ofcourse only from "gur prasad" or by God's blessing can this miracle occur. One cannot merely force another to do this. Yes, parents can teach their children the Sikh way of life, but more importantly they should lead by example and virtue. And even if they have done this, they can only pray and hope that their children will enter the heavenly bliss known as Khalsa. Also, just by keeping the 5 k's, one is not going to be a true Sikh or become khalsa, one must have the emotional and spiritual will power that was ever so present in Guru Gobind Singh ji's Singhs. My friends, this is a great sacrifice, but banning one's own is not going to fix anything.
Thank you and God bless,
-Beeba

Ok let us not keep things to ourselves n figure out what is right in the eyes of Guru 's eyes.Let us consider the the true story of 40 sikhs fighting mugal forces along with Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sahib.When 40 sikhs refused to accept the Hukum or order of Guru immediately ask them to give in writing that they r not his Sikhs n he is not their Guru anymore if they leave the fort without obeying his order.They left the fort n GURU LEFT THEM TOO ALL TOGETHER (NOTE THIS) N NOWTHE 40 SIKHS WERE ON THEIR OWN WITH THEIR OWN FATE N DESTINY.

They returned back to guru after being badly felt ashamed of their foolish act of disobeying the guru N badly insulted by their own wives n locals.They came back to guru n AGREED THAT THEY WILL OBEY HIS ORDERS N FIGHT WITH THE MUGAL FORCES. NOTE THIS: Only when they obeyed Guru's Hukum Guru Gobind Singh accepted them as his Singhs n Khalsas.Guru blessing them as immortals n many other blessings were showered upon them.Even the Guru rejects those who disobey his Hukums n so who r we to accept then still as sikhs.Those not allowed in gurudwaras now will feel ashamed when not allowed to enter Gurudwaras every time they visit there n realised of thier mistake n many will return to sikhi again.Don't worry much about what will happen with the ban.This panth needs strong n bold people n not cowards who hide their identity with slight strong wind/storm.Sikh religion was formed with bold n strongs who accepted hardest Hukums of Guru.First was giving away one's head before Guru's sword at the time of Khalsa panth formation ceremony-Vaisakhi.

Also during 1984 Bluestar operation strong n bold sikhs came forward to fight back against Indian forces while weak remained in their houses n came out when golden temple was demolished.Weak sikhs do no good to themselves n to the community n so why we be much worried about them.Afterall it is individual duty of each Sikh to make himself/herself strong spiritually,religiously,physically n mentally.Outside help works to a small extent n finally for long race one has to win on his/her feet all with self help n Guru's help.

Let strongs come forward n let weak remain behind.They will join the strong soon if they can.Don't worry much.

From this incident it is clearly evident that SIKHI IS ABOUT OBEYING GURU'S HUKUMS.Those who obey are Sikhs or Khalsas.

Those who disobey Guru's orders r Patits(LOST in true sense) n r not sikhs at all.Then why a non-sikh should turn back to Guru's Dawar for marriage n help.Why Should Sikhs accept them when Guru himself rejects them.Disobeying Guru's orders/Bachans r similar to giving in writing to Guru that U r not my Guru anymore.In return Guru says I am not your Guru anymore.

Unless n Untill A patit accepts Guru's Bachans n return back to Guru n follow his orders he will be considered as a patit sikh.
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Let the patit sikhs be pushed away from sikh population n gurudwaras as Guru has already pushed them away from his heart.
Anyway we don't need weak sikhs in our community as they will further weaken our population.So ban on non-sikhs(men n women who remove a single hair from their body or trim it) from getting married in Gurudwara is a good step ahead.

"Anyway we don't need weak sikhs in our community as they will further weaken our population.So ban on non-sikhs(men n women who remove a single hair from their body or trim it) from getting married in Gurudwara is a good step ahead."[/quote]

Since when is Sikhism like a game of the "survival of the fittest"?
The Sikh Dharam is an inner journey of spirituality and enlightenment, and it comes in all shapes and sizes. Who are you to say, this sikh is better than
the rest or... lower? Only God can tell who is good and who is bad. Also, the essence of Sikhism is equality. What, are we going to start judging our very own because they might not hold gold stars in your book? Thats a pretty shallow mind set you got there "five loved ones"

Since when is Sikhism like a game of the "survival of the fittest"?
The Sikh Dharam is an inner journey of spirituality and enlightenment, and it comes in all shapes and sizes. Who are you to say, this sikh is better than
the rest or... lower? Only God can tell who is good and who is bad. Also, the essence of Sikhism is equality. What, are we going to start judging our very own because they might not hold gold stars in your book? Thats a pretty shallow mind set you got there "five loved ones" [/quote]

Read the history of sikhs first n find out urself if Sikhs r not "survival of the fittest".Directly or indirectly they emerged as Survival of the fittest by truely following Guru's path.Millions of sacrifices have been made by sikhs of past for not giving up their hairs n their faith n today we like fools see everything before us happening n instead of uniting n eliminating these bads out of our religion we r fighting among ourself n blaming each other who is to decide.Do u think that Guru himself will come down to bring reforms among Sikhs.Guru has apppointed such a big army to do wonders on this planet n he himself called us all khalsas n our job is to be like a khalsas ourself n also help others lifted to the level of khalsa.Those who fail will perish by this deadly ocean.This is a fact.Mind it.Has our Guru made us fools that we cannot decide who is right n who is not.What u r looking for.Do U want to sit n see the things changing before ur eyes n still be quite.U may be like that but I am not.
Tell me r u a gold star n how come u judge that i am not a gold star.whatever form or shape I am in i am always proud of being born as a sikh n a guru ka sikh n will always favor those who work for sikhi n not those who simply sit n critise those who favor reforms.What a bunch of losers this koom has.Come on go out n run 2 miles n get some oxygen blood in ur brain so that u can focuss more towards reforms rather than taking sick.And what is this Beeba.No Kaur added.What do u feel degraded by adding kaur to ur name.Read my comments with a postive mind n keep ur negative mind in a cage.

i think you didn't understand by what I meant as in gold stars. It was not an accusation or negative comment towards you. Sorry for that. And also, you are the one critizing all over the place
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"What a bunch of losers this koom has"
"Come on go out n run 2 miles n get some oxygen blood in ur brain so that u can focuss more towards reforms rather than taking sick.And what is this Beeba.No Kaur added.What do u feel degraded by adding kaur to ur name."

Clearly I am not the one doing the critizing here!
I am a very open and liberal minded person. I believe that there is an inner strengh that can only "reform" oneself. We must awaken that in our selves through some way else-paath, naam, meditation, seva..., not by banning others out of our community. If you are willing to see or understand what I am saying, then do, but if you can't then it does not affect me. Thank you
=Beeba

Banning is the last resort these patits have left for us.It has been many years we have been trying to bring them on the track but they don't want to n instead they r spoiling other gursikhs n sikhi.Gurudwaras have become political grounds for them n they r destroying the very meaning of sikhi n gurudwaras.How long one will bear all these.Recently in chandigarh gurudwaras banned girls wearing jeans as they were spoiling gursikh girls too.A good step taken though late.But had great impact on young girls.Same will happen with these hair cut sikhs n hair trimming girls when not allowed in gurudwaras.why r u so much concerned with change.
Remember those who don't make reforms finally perish n r lost.Read history of sikhs to know more how much sikhs have struggled to keep sikhi in good shape.U should better keep undating urself with history of sikhs.
U don't worry much about these reforms Beeba.Have patience n wait for good results to come.Sat Shri Akal.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I haven't read through everyone's responses, however I get the general drift.

Rather than ban monas from having an anand marriage perhaps we could try to enforce pre-conditions that until such time that a person is willing to undergo the path of Sikhi then they will not qualify for Anand Marriage. By doing this we would not necessarily be banning anyone from taking Anand Marriage, rather giving them an option with conditions.

Any person wanting such a marriage would need to satisfy some qualifying criteria, eg undergoing studies into Sikhi;attending the Gurdwara regularly and understanding why they attend; being able to recite some of the simple prayers and of course exhibit the outward signs of Sikhi.

For those who wish not to do so they can go and get married in the registry office and one day once they are ready to accept the tennets of Sikhi then they can come back and partake in the Anand Marriage in order to solemise their marriage. Even if it takes them many years. Well, within reason of course...I mean you don't want your kids to attend your wedding?

Or those people will end up following some other religion instead.