Girls wearing jeans sent home by Sikh College

Soul_jyot · #1 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 05:21 AM

source: http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftnavigation/news/india/girls-wearing-jeans-sent-home-by-sikh-college.aspx

Girls wearing jeans sent home by Sikh college

ASIT JOLLY
CHANDIGARH

March 18: In a rather disturbing reminder of the dress codes forced on women by Khalistani terrorists in the 1980s, authorities in educational institutions run by the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee are similarly advising girl students wearing jeans or sleeveless shirts to "go home and change".
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/24269-girls-wearing-jeans-sent-home-sikh.html

Though the gurdwara body does not have any written rule on the matter, its emp-loyees in schools and colleges across Punjab insist hip-hugging denims and bare female arms are too provocative and liable to distract male teachers and students. There have been many recent instances at Ludhiana’s highly-sought-after Guru Nanak Engineering College, where women students were turned out of classrooms and told to stay away unless they went home and changed into "more respectable attire".

SGPC chief Avtar Singh Makkar actually acknowledges the unwritten rule. "We discourage girls from wearing anything other than the usual salwar kameez because Sikh religion doesn’t permit dresses like jeans, pants or other similar wear."
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24269

But he insists that no one has been turned away for refusing to adhere. "There is no order against jeans. Our people only suggest and persuade students to do the right thing," he told this newspaper.
GNEC principal M.S. Saini claims he wouldn’t allow even his "own daughter" to sport such clothes. "I would tell her that we should only wear something that is accordance with people around us so we can be a part of the crowd. Else we would attract avoidable attention," he said, admitting he had instructed his staff to keep a check on woman students in sleeveless shirts and jeans.

But some feisty young students are indignant. "Jeans are like a uniform for young people across the world but these old fogies find them provocative but they remain unruffled with all the terrible swearing and gang fights the boys get into," said one student who wouldn’t give out her name "because they (the college authorities) could harass me".

Sikh scholars point that dress codes based on religion are ridiculous and an unacceptable violation of personal freedoms. "There were no jeans in the times of the gurus so how could have they have forbidden Sikh women from wearing these?" said the Ludhiana-based Dr Balkar Singh.

"The Taliban are only a few hundred kilometres away in Pakistan. Do we want to pave their path into East Punjab?" said a concerned faculty member.

Archived_Member4 · #2 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Soul_jyot

source: http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftnavigation/news/india/girls-wearing-jeans-sent-home-by-sikh-college.aspx

Girls wearing jeans sent home by Sikh college

ASIT JOLLY
CHANDIGARH

March 18: In a rather disturbing reminder of the dress codes forced on women by Khalistani terrorists in the 1980s, authorities in educational institutions run by the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee are similarly advising girl students wearing jeans or sleeveless shirts to "go home and change".

Though the gurdwara body does not have any written rule on the matter, its emp-loyees in schools and colleges across Punjab insist hip-hugging denims and bare female arms are too provocative and liable to distract male teachers and students. There have been many recent instances at Ludhiana’s highly-sought-after Guru Nanak Engineering College, where women students were turned out of classrooms and told to stay away unless they went home and changed into "more respectable attire".

SGPC chief Avtar Singh Makkar actually acknowledges the unwritten rule. "We discourage girls from wearing anything other than the usual salwar kameez because Sikh religion doesn’t permit dresses like jeans, pants or other similar wear."

But he insists that no one has been turned away for refusing to adhere. "There is no order against jeans. Our people only suggest and persuade students to do the right thing," he told this newspaper.
GNEC principal M.S. Saini claims he wouldn’t allow even his "own daughter" to sport such clothes. "I would tell her that we should only wear something that is accordance with people around us so we can be a part of the crowd. Else we would attract avoidable attention," he said, admitting he had instructed his staff to keep a check on woman students in sleeveless shirts and jeans.

But some feisty young students are indignant. "Jeans are like a uniform for young people across the world but these old fogies find them provocative but they remain unruffled with all the terrible swearing and gang fights the boys get into," said one student who wouldn’t give out her name "because they (the college authorities) could harass me".

Sikh scholars point that dress codes based on religion are ridiculous and an unacceptable violation of personal freedoms. "There were no jeans in the times of the gurus so how could have they have forbidden Sikh women from wearing these?" said the Ludhiana-based Dr Balkar Singh.

"The Taliban are only a few hundred kilometres away in Pakistan. Do we want to pave their path into East Punjab?" said a concerned faculty member.

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But some feisty young students are indignant. "Jeans are like a uniform for young people across the world but these old fogies find them provocative but they remain unruffled with all the terrible swearing and gang fights the boys get into," said one student who wouldn’t give out her name "because they (the college authorities) could harass me".

Avtar Singh Makkar is a bully. Hes like the wolf in the three little pig story. Doesn't this man have anything better do like stopping the caste system in Gurdwaras. OOOO that's right he doesn't have to stop it because there are separate Gurdwaras for each caste.

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"We discourage girls from wearing anything other than the usual salwar kameez because Sikh religion doesn’t permit dresses like jeans, pants or other similar wear."

Mr. Avtar Makkar is the taliban.

Narayanjot Kaur · #3 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 09:55 AM

Now here is something that doesn't add up. We are told in the article that the Sikh religion does not permit pants/slacks and women should wear salwaar kameez. Hmmmmmmmmm.....................
Salwar are pants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are draw-string pants! Not only that.... Sikhs invented underpants. There were no bloomers for men or women prior to the invention of kechera -- which caught on and became a trend when women in the Victorian era started wearing hoop skirts with nothing underneath. It didn't look good when they sat down and their skirts stood up. Where did Europe got the idea of bloomers? Queen Victoria's bloomers sell at auction for around $5,000.00 US. And they look exactly like kechera only made from silkh and decorated with silk embroidery.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24269
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24269

And every time a woman decides to wear palazzo pants, she is wearing someting inspired by traditional Indian fashion.

Now are they going to tell the college girls which type of salwar is permitted? NO! NO! Churridar, for example!

BhagatSingh · #4 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 12:58 PM

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"We discourage girls from wearing anything other than the usual salwar kameez because Sikh religion doesn’t permit dresses like jeans, pants or other similar wear."

I think he speaks of a religion that was revealed to him and him alone.

Coincidently, that religion has the same name as the Sikh religion, what do you know?

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GNEC principal M.S. Saini claims he wouldn’t allow even his "own daughter" to sport such clothes. "I would tell her that we should only wear something that is accordance with people around us so we can be a part of the crowd. Else we would attract avoidable attention," he said, admitting he had instructed his staff to keep a check on woman students in sleeveless shirts and jeans.

I don't think he wears a turban...

gurvinder_janu · #5 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 13:24 PM

what about wearing a SARI by sikh women!

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #6 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 14:49 PM

Wear "THAT"...that doesnt make your body "suffer"....discomfort..etc etc..Declared GURU NANAK JI SAHIB.Period.
Makkar and his Badalite "masters" have no right to decide when GURBANI already decided.

2. As for what Gurvinder janu ji suggested...of course the "SARI" would be quite OK with makkar and his Badlaite Msters simply because saying NO would offend their BJP " Super-masters"..it wouldnt be politically correct for the Makkars to object to the sari...it being the national Indian dress and all...it might smack of "anti-nationalism..separatism...blah blah. But I would still go by Gurbani..IF the sari or anything else causes "discomfort..or causes suffering..to the wearer then THAT particular wearer has the right to not wear THAT (whatever that is ). I Personally hate wearing Tight Jeans becasue i just cant stand it...not becasue its "banned" by my religion..and I love wearign LOOSE shirts/pajamas/pants..becasue i love the COMFORT...not becasue it is "recommended" by my religion ??
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24269
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24269

Clothing like Food is a PERSONAL CHOICE in Sikhi - not mandated in any way....but try and tell that to the "sikh Talibans...maulas aka jathedars....

Randip Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 14:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Soul_jyot

source: http://www.asianage.com/presentation/leftnavigation/news/india/girls-wearing-jeans-sent-home-by-sikh-college.aspx

Girls wearing jeans sent home by Sikh college

ASIT JOLLY
CHANDIGARH

March 18: In a rather disturbing reminder of the dress codes forced on women by Khalistani terrorists in the 1980s, authorities in educational institutions run by the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee are similarly advising girl students wearing jeans or sleeveless shirts to "go home and change".

Though the gurdwara body does not have any written rule on the matter, its emp-loyees in schools and colleges across Punjab insist hip-hugging denims and bare female arms are too provocative and liable to distract male teachers and students. There have been many recent instances at Ludhiana’s highly-sought-after Guru Nanak Engineering College, where women students were turned out of classrooms and told to stay away unless they went home and changed into "more respectable attire".

SGPC chief Avtar Singh Makkar actually acknowledges the unwritten rule. "We discourage girls from wearing anything other than the usual salwar kameez because Sikh religion doesn’t permit dresses like jeans, pants or other similar wear."

But he insists that no one has been turned away for refusing to adhere. "There is no order against jeans. Our people only suggest and persuade students to do the right thing," he told this newspaper.
GNEC principal M.S. Saini claims he wouldn’t allow even his "own daughter" to sport such clothes. "I would tell her that we should only wear something that is accordance with people around us so we can be a part of the crowd. Else we would attract avoidable attention," he said, admitting he had instructed his staff to keep a check on woman students in sleeveless shirts and jeans.

But some feisty young students are indignant. "Jeans are like a uniform for young people across the world but these old fogies find them provocative but they remain unruffled with all the terrible swearing and gang fights the boys get into," said one student who wouldn’t give out her name "because they (the college authorities) could harass me".

Sikh scholars point that dress codes based on religion are ridiculous and an unacceptable violation of personal freedoms. "There were no jeans in the times of the gurus so how could have they have forbidden Sikh women from wearing these?" said the Ludhiana-based Dr Balkar Singh.

"The Taliban are only a few hundred kilometres away in Pakistan. Do we want to pave their path into East Punjab?" said a concerned faculty member.

Don't they do something similar in Sikh Schools in the UK?

Narayanjot Kaur · #8 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 18:36 PM

Randip, Gyani, Gurvinder, Singh, Soul_Jyot ji

Randip is making a statement true around the world - When jeans are banned it is not about religion or sex (The forbidden combination

) Jean can become very messy and shabby looking. School that ban them are typically trying to instill a standard of neatness and decorum for the environment of a school. The value being imposed is social decorum, beginning to think "profesional" in order to form habits for when children eventually become adults and go to work. The kids have the urge to wear jeans because they have an egalitarian spirit -- as if to say "let's all have our own social code for ourselves as a generation. " Interestingly it has become a worldwide phenomenon for young people to wear jeans. They wear them with zeal.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24269

How religion entered into this matter is known only to the mind of Avtar Singh. Notice that ONLY THE GIRLS ARE FORBIDDEN TO WEAR JEANS. Unless of course he is saying that sikhism is its own society with a code forbidding jeans FOR WOMEN- but forgot to tell everyone else about it.

Randip Singh · #9 (**permalink**) 19-Mar-2009, 19:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

Randip, Gyani, Gurvinder, Singh, Soul_Jyot ji

Randip is making a statement true around the world - When jeans are banned it is not about religion or sex (The forbidden combination

) Jean can become very messy and shabby looking. School that ban them are typically trying to instill a standard of neatness and decorum for the environment of a school. The value being imposed is social decorum, beginning to think "profesional" in order to form habits for when children eventually become adults and go to work. The kids have the urge to wear jeans because they have an egalitarian spirit -- as if to say "let's all have our own social code for ourselves as a generation. " Interestingly it has become a worldwide phenomenon for young people to wear jeans. They wear them with zeal.

How religion entered into this matter is known only to the mind of Avtar Singh. Notice that ONLY THE GIRLS ARE FORBIDDEN TO WEAR JEANS. Unless of course he is saying that sikhism is its own society with a code forbidding jeans FOR WOMEN- but forgot to tell everyone else about it.

I really do hope what you are saying is the reason why, and not some sexist reason.