Nihang Niddar Singh - What is the Controversy?

Randip Singh · #28 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 00:44 AM

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Interesting veer ji can these hsitorical sources be presented for the rest of the sangat to see. It would be interest to see who wrote these historical sources and where they come from.

I will have a look but you are missing the point. The point is he is entitled to his view. We may not agree with his view but he is entitled to it.

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Back to Niddar Singh ji, well if he had the proof veer ji then he wouldn't have apologized for his mistakes. Niddar Singh ji would have presented the historical sources and if he did they must not be valid support. Like i said in my last post Niddar SIngh jis views were challenged, meaning he was given the opportunity to present his case and even doing so he apologized for his wrong doings; he was proven wrong.

Not at all.

Do you think those loony tunes would have had a reasoned conversation with him?

I have seen the youtube video and it seemed to be a mob rather than a reasoned debate.

I think it shows great humility on his part to apologise even when he has done nothing wrong but present a view point.

And Sikh apologise all the time....ever heard the phrase Bul Chak Maff?

Randip Singh · #29 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 00:53 AM

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Randip Singh · #30 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 00:56 AM

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It was not an opinion, his statements according to him were in line with Sikhi and for that his statements got challenged and he could not support them.

This is not true. I have watched his apology. He does not say this.

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Niddar Singh ji was and is misleading the sangat on a global level with his book and this does become a issue for all Sikhs.

How is he misleading Sangat? Have you read his book?

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It's only a natural response for a Sikh to stand up for what is right. Something our Guru taugh/teaches us on this journey to the Lord.

It's right to stand up for what's right, but not to act like a bunch of jackals baying for blood like the you tube video. This fellow seems to do more good than bad.

Archived_Member4 · #31 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 02:25 AM

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I will have a look but you are missing the point. The point is he is entitled to his view. We may not agree with his view but he is entitled to it.

Not at all.

Do you think those loony tunes would have had a reasoned conversation with him?

I have seen the youtube video and it seemed to be a mob rather than a reasoned debate.

I think it shows great humility on his part to apologise even when he has done nothing wrong but present a view point.

And Sikh apologise all the time....ever heard the phrase Bul Chak Maff?

Bhia Sahib watch the video more closely. At the beginning a Singh says look at this, at first there were only 4 to 5 singhs so why all this chaos now. (Same thing said a little later on in the video by another Singh and Niddar Singh ji is nodding his head giving the indication he agrees with what is being said directly to him.) Then afterwards a Singh states some of these Singh are Baba ji (Niddar Singh jis) Singhs and Niddar Singh ji did not deny is Singh were there. They treat Niddar Singh ji with respect and gave him the chance to explain himself. Niddar Singh ji had no response when asked to explain his views. To call these guys goons or loony tunes is a shortcoming on your part. Even his own Singhs did not speak out for him on his views that were present during the apology video.

The apology is a documented account and video account of Bhai Niddar Singh ji apologizing for his mistakes made in the book he wrote. The video shows the seriousness of the apology that is being asked from Niddar Singh ji. Not the way you state it as just Bul chak maff. You say he has done nothing wrong, but yet Niddar Sigh ji is apologizing himself for making mistakes in his book and it is documented and videoed.

To state: I have not taken no sides to this whole thing neither am I saying someone stated I did, just looking at the facts and presenting what happened.

Archived_Member4 · #32 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 02:39 AM

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This is not true. I have watched his apology. He does not say this.

How is he misleading Sangat? Have you read his book?

It's right to stand up for what's right, but not to act like a bunch of jackals baying for blood like the you tube video. This fellow seems to do more good than bad.

Bhai Sahib ji, Niddar Singh ji apologizes for the many mistakes he has made in his book and on misleading the Sikhi community in the video. I don't know how someone can up out and say he did not mislead the Sikhi community when he directly says he did do it himself, but staying in context.

Veer ji I am not saying he is a bad guy or a good guy just sticking to what is at hand and repeating what was said inthe video by Niddar Singh ji. Niddar Singh ji could be doing more good then bad, but in this case he apologizes for his wrong doings. In this case it is relevant to say he was wrong.

Randip Singh · #33 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 05:08 AM

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Bhai Sahib ji, Niddar Singh ji apologizes for the many mistakes he has made in his book and on misleading the Sikhi community in the video. I don't know how someone can up out and say he did not mislead the Sikhi community when he directly says he did do it himself, but staying in context.

Veer ji I am not saying he is a bad guy or a good guy just sticking to what is at hand and repeating what was said inthe video by Niddar Singh ji. Niddar Singh ji could be doing more good then bad, but in this case he apologizes for his wrong doings. In this case it is relevant to say he was wrong.

Look Brother,

I am going to make my mind up when I have read his book.

I am sceptical whether his apology was made just to keep the peace or whether he actually apologised for content in his book.

As a general note I am very worried about sites being set up just to slander someone. Here are some examples I found just now:

YouTube - Niddar The Giddar

<<< what exactly is he doing wrong here apart from teaching kids self defence? They say he RSS, how and where? Where is he telling peopleto drink alcohol?

Nang Niddar Exposed - DiscoverSikhi.Com <<< More bacwaas posted by the notorious idiot Banda Singh who runs a very dodgy Sikh website that misforms Sikhs about Sikh History.

Nang Niddar Exposed - DiscoverSikhi.Com <<<< more nindya from that fanatical tapoban site.

Niddar 'Singh' <<<< a blog spot set up by a Nindak to slander Niddar Singh? How is this person still a Sikh after slandering someone like this?

Panthic Weekly: Sanatanist Nihang Niddar Apologizes on newly released Hazur Sahib Video <<<< here we have the biggest nindiya platform in the world, Panthic Weekly, slandering him.

Now Singh ji even you have to admit what kind of cowardly "Sikhs" put up such slandering garbage on the internet?

I always thought Sikhs were fearless and if they had a problem they confronted them likewise.

If Niddar Singh has published a book with references then why don't the Nindaks publish a researched book to counter him rather than spreading hate and garbage on the net?

Can you see where I am coming from? No man deserves such slandering.

Here are some of my views:

There have always been Sehajdhari Sikhs - monays have been included in this. Remember the monay Brar Jats?
Alcohol can be used medicinally by Sikhs as can other drugs. The idea is not to get off your head. There are accounts of this from eyewitness's.
People get all excited because the Baba's and Bhai's he seems to have criticised he is saying are not perfect.Well he's entitled to his view. I have strongly criticised Bhai Randhir Singh in the past about his writings.
If he believes in a Sanatan version of Sikhi, he is entitled to, jsut as AKJ, GNSSJ, DDT, 3HO etc believe in a heavily Vaishnavised version of Sikhi....even though the latter groups won't admit it.

Now does this make me bad?

PS Excuse some of my language, but this Nindiya has got me riled up.

Kuls1980 · #34 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 17:58 PM

randip singh, I agree 100% with you. You have made some very good points. I'm coming from a neutral point of view and these points are valid. AKJ and other jathas need to realisewhat’s out there and not fight it but logically rectify the issue, if it is an issue.

Niddhar's support has been increasing over the last few years and its continuing to grow. The reason, he has used his brain to deal with the issues not just use brut force. One thing I have discovered with Discoversikhi forum, if you have a separate point of view on a subject, they label you as an RSS agent. For Gods sake it a discussion forum, that’s the whole point of it to discuss these matters.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/23915-nihang-niddar-singh-what-is-controversy.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23915

I apologies if I have offended any one.

Gurfethay

Randip Singh · #35 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 18:34 PM

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randip singh, I agree 100% with you. You have made some very good points. I'm coming from a neutral point of view and these points are valid. AKJ and other jathas need to realisewhat’s out there and not fight it but logically rectify the issue, if it is an issue.

When these sites put out materail defaming Nihang Niddar Singh, who is the loser? Sikhism

When they call him an RSS Agent, who is the loser? Sikhism

When they say only their Jatha view point is right and no else has a view point, who is the loser? Sikhism

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Niddhar's support has been increasing over the last few years and its continuing to grow. The reason, he has used his brain to deal with the issues not just use brut force. One thing I have discovered with Discoversikhi forum, if you have a separate point of view on a subject, they label you as an RSS agent. For Gods sake it a discussion forum, that’s the whole point of it to discuss these matters.

I apologies if I have offended any one.

Gurfethay

I have been reading a lot of stuff over the last few days and you are correct, Niddars base is steadily increasing. Why?

1) He listens to other viewpoints
2) He is not Hindu-phobic like many DDT, AKJ and other groups
3) He tries to look at subjects in an analytical and rational way
4) He seems educated and well spoken.
5) There does not seem to be any elements of fanaticism in his views.

What I want to know is is there a rivalry between Ustad Uptej Singh and Nihang Niddar Singh?

Narayanjot Kaur · #36 (**permalink**) 29-Jan-2009, 18:34 PM

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randip singh, I agree 100% with you. You have made some very good points. I'm coming from a neutral point of view and these points are valid. AKJ and other jathas need to realisewhat’s out there and not fight it but logically rectify the issue, if it is an issue.

Niddhar's support has been increasing over the last few years and its continuing to grow. The reason, he has used his brain to deal with the issues not just use brut force. One thing I have discovered with Discoversikhi forum, if you have a separate point of view on a subject, they label you as an RSS agent. For Gods sake it a discussion forum, that’s the whole point of it to discuss these matters.

I apologies if I have offended any one.

Gurfethay

You are not exaggerating. A friend of mine had the experience on a very popular forum of being called "shady" because she expressed a view about the 5 k's: That their power lay in the spiritual strength they gave, rather than "magical" protection of Waheguru. It was unbelievable how blatantly mean-spirited the responses were.