Nihang Niddar Singh - What is the Controversy?

Randip Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 00:46 AM

Ok, let us post some links here here and some articles for and against and make some sense of it.
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Archived_Member4 · #11 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 01:18 AM

So far I find the comments pretty funny. How can a Singh be pushed to apologize, its hard to understand the support behind this. Singhs are suppose to stand up to oppression doesn't matter where it is coming from and here people are saying Bhai Niddar Singh gave in. Hes a Gatka instructor and a Nihang Singh a man like him knows how to defend his stand physically and mentally. Reminds me of the Sakhi of Taru Singh. Taught us to stand up in what we believe in don't give into oppresion.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/23915-nihang-niddar-singh-what-is-controversy.html

Here you have Bhia Niddar Singh ji apologizing not because of oppression, but for his mistakes.

I think some take this as the opportunity to get there nicely polished rods that have been sitting in the corner wait for the right moment and do some jatha bashing. Get all that built up anger out the right way!

Narayanjot Kaur · #12 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rajkhalsa

The people to oppose him are from Akhand Kirtani Jatha ...we all know this 'sect' in itself is a mess..playing with the rehit is their favorite past time ...i like their founder Bhai Randhirsinghji ..but not the way things are going at their end ...

The Nihangs follow Puratan Sikhi...and the AKJ has hijacked their baana..trying to be the modern 'nihangs' ...

The main prob is the islam like mentality of such sects who just find fault with other sects..

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rajkhalsa ji

This is what I see shaping up too. But how to be certain? It is confusing because it almost seems as new and special definitions are being formed that had not up until now existed. For example, why would Nihangs ask another Nihang to apologize for having "purutan" inclinations. That makes no sense at all. And yes, to me it was looking like AKJ and made took up the controversy with Niddar ji. But you can see how bewildered I am.

kds1980 · #13 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by randip singh

Ok, let us post some links here here and some articles for and against and make some sense of it.

Some days back I posted comments of bahadur singh/javanmard/bahadur ali , an ex - sikh convert.Much of his anger was directed towards niddar singh and his nihangs,that guy really had bad experiance with him.I even talked with vijaydeep singh on niddar some days back and he told me that niddar has some goon type mentality.

Archived_Member4 · #14 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 03:45 AM

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Archived_Member4 · #15 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

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rajkhalsa ji

This is what I see shaping up too. But how to be certain? It is confusing because it almost seems as new and special definitions are being formed that had not up until now existed. For example, why would Nihangs ask another Nihang to apologize for having "purutan" inclinations. That makes no sense at all. And yes, to me it was looking like AKJ and made took up the controversy with Niddar ji. But you can see how bewildered I am.

niddar singh - Google Video=#

Here's which jatha was there and asked for the apology by Niddar Singh

Nang Niddar Singh Apologising for his mistakes made in his book 'In The Masters Presence' and for misleading the sikh sangat. This was carried out in front of Singh Sahib Kulawant Singh, representatives of Buddha Dal, Tarna Dal, Hazoor Sahib Singhs, Damdami Taksal and other Jathebandiya - this is following a number of run ins with Nihungs Singhs from the various Dals who challenged Niddar on his views on Sikh Women cutting their Kes and Sikhs being Hindus etc. As per the video Niddar was unable to justify his stance and views. All present Nihang Dals condemn Niddar and his views. «

Well according to some now the Puratan Sikhi that Nihangs follow let women cut their hair and Sikhs are Hindus. Some have been smoking the good old Sukha for to long. Last time I heard the youngster these days were going puff puff pass.

dalsingh · #16 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 04:08 AM

You can see Niddar in a little gatka clash here. He's the bigger guy. Although I probably wouldn't find his Sikhi views very agreeable he looks like the type that may be good to have around in a brawl...

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23915

YouTube - Nidar Nihang VS. Ustad Uptej Singh

Narayanjot Kaur · #17 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kds1980

Some days back I posted comments of bahadur singh/javanmard/bahadur ali , an ex - sikh convert.Much of his anger was directed towards niddar singh and his nihangs,that guy really had bad experiance with him.I even talked with vijaydeep singh on niddar some days back and he told me that niddar has some goon type mentality.

kds ji

Since vijaydeep ji is always balanced and objective his perception carries weight as far as I am concerned. I am not sure about the ex-sikh convert though.

Also can you explain why his views on kes would have any bearing on the book In the Master's Presence -- which is about the history of Hazoor Sahib and not about kes? Any help along those lines would be most appreciated.

Kuls1980 · #18 (**permalink**) 27-Jan-2009, 21:00 PM

Hello everyone.

I have just joined this forum and the first subject I stumble upon, is about Niddhar Singh. Every Sikh forum you go to, there are more topics on him rather than any thing else. We have given him a lot of publicity. Good or Bad.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23915

On a personal note Niddhar Singh is a good man, he has great knowledge that he wants to share with rest of the Sikh community. Then it's entirely up to the individual if they want to take this information or throw it in the bin.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23915
I think the AKJ, have seriously been hurt by this man, thats why they have such a strong opinion on him. AKJ and other sects are looking for an escape goat to blame for their downfall.

I apologies if I have offended any one, but this solely my point of view.

Gurfetha