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ABwiKAw kw kuTw bkrw Kwxw ]
abhaakhiaa kaa kut(h)aa bakaraa khaanaa ||
They eat the meat of the goats, killed after the Muslim prayers are read over them,
OK So i think i have finally solved MEAT ISSUE Mystery.

Look at the above line at Page No. 472. IT Clearly says 'Abakhiya Da Kutha' . Hence its clear that the meaning of word 'Kutha' is NOT meat but HALAL/Kosher ,which is one of the 4 cardinal sins.

So In those times (Guru ji`s time) the word Kutha means Kosher/Halal.
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So Finally after thourought analysis ,from my side Meat is allowed unless its HALAL or Kosher or prepared by any ritual .

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stupidjassi ji

You know, you are really amazing at solving these unique problems in Gurbani. First the 10 hermits and now this.
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please Read The Whole Shabad Before Reaching To Any Conclusion!!!!
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oops! And sorry for jumping to conclusions AGAIN.

But now I have looked and I think stupidjassi ji was only referring the meaning of one word.

Look at the above line at Page No. 472. IT Clearly says 'Abakhiya Da Kutha' . Hence its clear that the meaning of word 'Kutha' is NOT meat but HALAL/Kosher ,which is one of the 4 cardinal sins.


He doesn't seem to be commenting on the meaning of the shabad. That was my impression only. Just the meaning of the word. The shabad seems to speaking about moral corruption and spiritual hypocrisy.



ਮਃ ੧ ॥
ma 1 ||
First Mehl:

17 ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਵਾਜ ॥
maanas khaanae karehi nivaaj ||
The man-eaters say their prayers.

ਛੁਰੀ ਵਗਾਇਨਿ ਤਿਨ ਗਲਿ ਤਾਗ ॥
shhuree vagaaein thin gal thaag ||
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Those who wield the knife wear the sacred thread around their necks.

ਤਿਨ ਘਰਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਣ ਪੂਰਹਿ ਨਾਦ ॥
thin ghar brehaman poorehi naadh ||
In their homes, the Brahmins sound the conch.

ਉਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਾ ਭਿ ਆਵਹਿ ਓਈ ਸਾਦ ॥
ounhaa bh aavehi ouee saadh ||
They too have the same taste.


ਕੂੜੀ ਰਾਸਿ ਕੂੜਾ ਵਾਪਾਰੁ ॥
koorree raas koorraa vaapaar ||
False is their capital, and false is their trade.

ਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਆਹਾਰੁ ॥
koorr bol karehi aahaar ||
Speaking falsehood, they take their food.


ਸਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕਾ ਡੇਰਾ ਦੂਰਿ ॥
saram dhharam kaa ddaeraa dhoor ||
The home of modesty and Dharma is far from them.

ਨਾਨਕ ਕੂੜੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਰਪੂਰਿ ॥
naanak koorr rehiaa bharapoor ||
O Nanak, they are totally permeated with falsehood.

ਮਥੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਤੇੜਿ ਧੋਤੀ ਕਖਾਈ ॥
mathhai ttikaa thaerr dhhothee kakhaaee ||
The sacred marks are on their foreheads, and the saffron loin-cloths are around their waists;


ਹਥਿ ਛੁਰੀ ਜਗਤ ਕਾਸਾਈ ॥
hathh shhuree jagath kaasaaee ||
in their hands they hold the knives - they are the butchers of the world!



ਨੀਲ ਵਸਤ੍ਰ ਪਹਿਰਿ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥
neel vasathr pehir hovehi paravaan ||
Wearing blue robes, they seek the approval of the Muslim rulers.


ਮਲੇਛ ਧਾਨੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਪੁਰਾਣੁ ॥
malaeshh dhhaan lae poojehi puraan ||
Accepting bread from the Muslim rulers, they still worship the Puraanas.

ਅਭਾਖਿਆ ਕਾ ਕੁਠਾ ਬਕਰਾ ਖਾਣਾ ॥
abhaakhiaa kaa kuthaa bakaraa khaanaa ||
They eat the meat of the goats, killed after the Muslim prayers are read over them,

ਚਉਕੇ ਉਪਰਿ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ॥
choukae oupar kisai n jaanaa ||
but they do not allow anyone else to enter their kitchen areas.

ਦੇ ਕੈ ਚਉਕਾ ਕਢੀ ਕਾਰ ॥
dhae kai choukaa kadtee kaar ||
They draw lines around them, plastering the ground with cow-dung.

ਉਪਰਿ ਆਇ ਬੈਠੇ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ॥
oupar aae baithae koorriaar ||
The false come and sit within them.

ਮਤੁ ਭਿਟੈ ਵੇ ਮਤੁ ਭਿਟੈ ॥ਇਹੁ ਅੰਨੁ ਅਸਾਡਾ ਫਿਟੈ ॥
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math bhittai vae math bhittai || eihu ann asaaddaa fittai ||
They cry out, ""Do not touch our food, or it will be polluted!""

ਤਨਿ ਫਿਟੈ ਫੇੜ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥
than fittai faerr karaen ||
But with their polluted bodies, they commit evil deeds.

ਮਨਿ ਜੂਠੈ ਚੁਲੀ ਭਰੇਨਿ ॥
man joothai chulee bharaen ||
With filthy minds, they try to cleanse their mouths.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੁ ਧਿਆਈਐ ॥
kahu naanak sach dhhiaaeeai ||
Says Nanak, meditate on the True Lord.

ਸੁਚਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੨॥
such hovai thaa sach paaeeai ||2||
If you are pure, you will obtain the True Lord. ||2||
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Re: Meat Issue Solved

Sorry aad0002 ji
It was addressed to stupidDJassi, so there is nothing wrong on your part.
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Guru sahib in this Shabad doent say to eat or not eat meat. It is all about A Brahmin who does different things like eating Halal, thinking he the one who is pure. In last Vaak, Guru ji concludes only by meditating on HIM leads to purity not the hypocrisy.
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Guru sahib in this Shabad doent say to eat or not eat meat. It is all about A Brahmin who does different things like eating Halal, thinking he the one who is pure. In last Vaak, Guru ji concludes only by meditating on HIM leads to purity not the hypocrisy.
Veer ji,

Yes I agree that it is not about eating or not eating meat. My question was, is Guruji talking about hypocrisy (versus meditating on HIM). Or is the shabad abbout meditating on Him. Trying to rephrase what I was saying.

I am really sorry to be misunderstanding you if I am. Sometimes I miss the point.
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aad0002 ji

Guru sahib in this Shabad doent say to eat or not eat meat. It is all about A Brahmin who does different things like eating Halal, thinking he the one who is pure. In last Vaak, Guru ji concludes only by meditating on HIM leads to purity not the hypocrisy.
Exactly PK Bhen Ji.
The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is about the MANN/SPIRITUAL...Mann jeeteh JAGJEET.
In fact most of Gurbani is related to the Mann/spiritual aspect....the PHYSICAL BODY is seldom touched as it is self explanatory/common sense..even a baby will cry out to be fed when his physical stomach is empty....bathing/ceanliness/etc are all commonsense..BUT Most of us are not even aware when our MANN is HUNGRY...90% of people feed the body/fast the body/bathe the body/torture the body/..etc etc etc to gain "Spiritual benefit" !!! which is not as per Gurmatt...the Important aspect is MANN..which cannot be fed with atta/rice/jalebis/...cannot be "washed" in sarovars and tiraths....cannot be cleansed/purified by fasting/torturing/standing on one leg or upside down etc etc.
THUS Gurbani is clear that BODY DIET....BODY "CASTES"....BODY HONOURS etc etc are NOT going to be of any help in the SPIRITUAL PLANE..there only NAAM JAPP/humility/LOVE/caring for others, sewa..etc will be of help..Hence Gurbani touches on thsoe aspects.

The conclusion reached by Stupid Jassi is thus absolutley correct - Gurmatt and Gurbani is not the least about what you eat or dont eat..clearly stated..DONT EAT what causes your body/mann PAIN and distress, stops your naam japp progress. What GURBANI does FORBID..and VERY CLEARLY is...EXCESSIVE LOVE/INDULGENCE....in Gold/riches/beautiful women/horses/elephants/ ( modern day read BMW/Jaguars/Mercedes/Feraris)palaces/mansions/soft beds/scents/..SWEETMEATS !!! ( Jalebis, laddoos, barfis/gulab jamuns...) and last of all MEAT. Read Sri Raag Mh Pehla on pages 15 onwards of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Any self respecting DOCTOR/PSYchtarist will also ADVISE his patients exactly this....look at the DIABETIC/OBESE rates today...look at the greedy for money cheaters/politicians today... Can a person with a Diseased Body/Mind ever hope to reach GOD?? SEHAJ ....CONTROL..is vital to achieve this balance and total inner peace resulting in nama japping...

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Jios, Gyani, pk70 and stupidjassi:

Can we stipulate that we all agree with this statement?

The conclusion reached by Stupid Jassi is thus absolutley correct - Gurmatt and Gurbani is not the least about what you eat or dont eat.
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Then I will stop asking the same question different ways.
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