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10-Oct-2008, 07:12 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos Singhji
Re-read the scenarios and think about the points I am making. You are posting shabads that are incidentally related to the issues I raised. Bye for now. *
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__________________ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੂੰ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਕਰਤੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਵਣਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਣਿ ਰਤੜਾ ਨਾਰਾਇਣਾ ॥ jae ko moon oupadhaes karath hai thaa van thrin ratharraa naaraaeinaa || If someone is going to teach me something, let that be that the Lord is pervading the forests and fields. | 
10-Oct-2008, 07:29 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos Quote:
Originally Posted by aad0002 Singhji
Re-read the scenarios and think about the points I am making. You are posting shabads that are incidentally related to the issues I raised. Bye for now. |
Aad ji,
The shabads are not incidentally related, your scenario B has a flaw in it and Gurbani point's the mistake out. | 
10-Oct-2008, 11:22 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos These lyrics by Judy Collins are dedicated to anyone who has a tattoo or more than one tattoo, and later on found that God, the Inner Knower and the Searcher of Hearts, dwells within. And then was spiritually transformed. Angel on My Side
Words and Music by Judy Collins Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/2015-sikhism-and-tattoos.html
Universal Music Corp. (ASCAP)/ The Wildflowers Company (ASCAP)
(Administered by Universal Music Corp.) There was a time when the clocks all stopped
When the world just went away,
I didn't know if it was night or day.
I didn't know if there were clouds or fire in the sky,
I didn't wanna live if I could die.
Somewhere down the line I found myself up on that road,
Where the devil led me, I would go.
I had sold my soul for pleasure,
Thinkin' it would last,
All my hopes had vanished in the past. Lost, I was lost like a child in the dark,
Driftin' away with the tide.
God only knows how I made it back home.
I must have an angel on my side. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015 In the mornin' I'd wake up and shake my weary head,
Wonder where I'd been and what I'd said.
Was I on the River Styx for all eternity?
Would I drown forever in the sea?
Why did anyone keep livin', what was there to find?
I wanted just a little peace of mind. Lost, I was lost like a child in the dark,
Driftin' away with the tide.
God only knows how I made it back home.
I must have an angel on my side. Never had a flash of lightnin' comin' right at me,
One day I just know I woke up free.
The day was breakin', I was livin',
I couldn't tell you why,
First I laughed and then I learned to cry.
Somethin' in my heart was sayin' you can reach the sky,
You just gotta live until you die. Lost, I was lost like a child in the dark,
Driftin' away with the tide.
God only knows how I made it back home.
I must have an angel on my side.
I must have an angel,
I must have an angel,
I must have an angel on my side.
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10-Oct-2008, 11:37 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos It is too wonderful! ਗੋਂਡ ॥
gonadd ||
Gond:
ਮੋ ਕਉ ਤਾਰਿ ਲੇ ਰਾਮਾ ਤਾਰਿ ਲੇ ॥
mo ko thaar lae raamaa thaar lae ||
Carry me across, O Lord, carry me across.
ਮੈ ਅਜਾਨੁ ਜਨੁ ਤਰਿਬੇ ਨ ਜਾਨਉ ਬਾਪ ਬੀਠੁਲਾ ਬਾਹ ਦੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015
mai ajaan jan tharibae n jaano baap beethulaa baah dhae ||1|| rehaao ||
I am ignorant, and I do not know how to swim. O my Beloved Father, please give me Your arm. ||1||Pause|| ਨਰ ਤੇ ਸੁਰ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਤ ਨਿਮਖ ਮੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਬੁਧਿ ਸਿਖਲਾਈ ॥
nar thae sur hoe jaath nimakh mai sathigur budhh sikhalaaee ||
I have been transformed from a mortal being into an angel, in an instant; the True Guru has taught me this.
ਨਰ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਿ ਸੁਰਗ ਕਉ ਜੀਤਿਓ ਸੋ ਅਵਖਧ ਮੈ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥
nar thae oupaj surag ko jeethiou so avakhadhh mai paaee ||1||
Born of human flesh, I have conquered the heavens; such is the medicine I was given. ||1||
ਜਹਾ ਜਹਾ ਧੂਅ ਨਾਰਦੁ ਟੇਕੇ ਨੈਕੁ ਟਿਕਾਵਹੁ ਮੋਹਿ ॥
jehaa jehaa dhhooa naaradh ttaekae naik ttikaavahu mohi ||
Please place me where You placed Dhroo and Naarad, O my Master.
ਤੇਰੇ ਨਾਮ ਅਵਿਲੰਬਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਜਨ ਉਧਰੇ ਨਾਮੇ ਕੀ ਨਿਜ ਮਤਿ ਏਹ ॥੨॥੩॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015
thaerae naam avilanb bahuth jan oudhharae naamae kee nij math eaeh ||2||3|| With the Support of Your Name, so many have been saved; this is Naam Dayv's understanding. ||2||3|| | 
13-Oct-2008, 06:35 AM
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| | | | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos that's pretty disturbing I just came across this site cuz I was looking for desi/sikh tattoos mostly for the lion.I'm still in contemplation of getting a tattoo but after seeing the link for the idiot with Gurbani on the back I think I'll stay far away from religion and repersenting Sikhi all toghter cuz it is contradicting because our bodies are supposed to be our temple, a gift from God etc. | 
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos Let us remember what Guru Nanak said, before we rush to judge one another: Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015
"If you cannot see God in all, you cannot see God at all."
Wahe Guru
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16-Oct-2008, 11:02 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos Quote:
Originally Posted by KulwantK Let us remember what Guru Nanak said, before we rush to judge one another:
"If you cannot see God in all, you cannot see God at all."
Wahe Guru
Kulwant | Kulwant K Ji
Well come back and congratulations on health recovery ! With all due respect, I have to say that these words are not of Guru Nanak, obviously Bhajan Yogi used to quote it; if I am wrong, kindly provide me "ang(page) of Sree Guru Granth Sahib ji? Thanks. | 
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos Actually,
Nanak V did say something like that -- not exactly.... (Ang 51) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਾਟਿਆ ਸਗਲ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੨੫॥੯੫॥
kahu naanak gur bharam kaattiaa sagal breham beechaar ||4||25||95||
Says Nanak, the Guru has removed my doubts; I recognize God in all. ||4||25||95||
And also, (Ang 897)
ਜਿਸੁ ਭੇਟਤ ਮਿਟੈ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥
jis bhaettath mittai abhimaan ||
Meeting Him, egotistical pride is eradicated, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015 ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
paarabreham sabh nadharee aavai kar kirapaa pooran bhagavaan ||1|| rehaao ||
and you will come to see the Supreme Lord God in all. The Perfect Lord God has showered His Mercy. ||1||Pause||
Granted not the same exact thing. But the idea is the same. That is what Yogi Bhajan was getting at, I think. | 
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| | | | | Re: Sikhism And Tattoos Quote:
Originally Posted by aad0002 Actually,
Nanak V did say something like that -- not exactly.... (Ang 51)
ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਿ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਾਟਿਆ ਸਗਲ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ॥੪॥੨੫॥੯੫॥
kahu naanak gur bharam kaattiaa sagal breham beechaar ||4||25||95||
Says Nanak, the Guru has removed my doubts; I recognize God in all. ||4||25||95||
And also, (Ang 897)
ਜਿਸੁ ਭੇਟਤ ਮਿਟੈ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ॥
jis bhaettath mittai abhimaan ||
Meeting Him, egotistical pride is eradicated, ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸਭੁ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਪੂਰਨ ਭਗਵਾਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
paarabreham sabh nadharee aavai kar kirapaa pooran bhagavaan ||1|| rehaao ||
and you will come to see the Supreme Lord God in all. The Perfect Lord God has showered His Mercy. ||1||Pause||
Granted not the same exact thing. But the idea is the same. That is what Yogi Bhajan was getting at, I think. | aad ji
With due respect, the quote of Guru ji, you have given, doesn't translate it as the quot stated above though Guru stresses HE permeates in all but doesn't say the way quote goes, I have problem with those who say their own words in the name of Guru ji. It is just like" Naam Khumari Nanaka charee rahe din raat" idea resembles with Guru's idea but in this form, he never said that. Sorry to be in disagreement | 
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