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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh In my opinion, gurbani says no such thing about altering our bodies. I would like to see quotes from anyone who thinks otherwise. (I ask the question so people will think about it)
The thing about GPS is that it can be used to keep an eye on people WITHOUT their consent. ... it gets kind of tangled now... when is it good and when is it bad to keep an eye on someone...etc | So that raises another ethical concern and question. Is it ethical to implant a GPS (alter a person's body) without their consent even though the intent of the action is for a "good" cause?
How do we ask a similar ethical question about tattoos? Usually getting a tattoo is a voluntary act. So is consent assumed to be there? Also, could an argument be made that there are situations where getting a tattoo serves a good purpose?
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| | | | | Re: Are we allowed to have Tattoos and Piercings Bhagat ji
Moreover, I agree with your statement Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/2015-sikhism-and-tattoos.html In my opinion, gurbani says no such thing about altering our bodies. I would like to see quotes from anyone who thinks otherwise. (I ask the question so people will think about it)Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=2015
Usually in argument someone will quote from Gurbani and then extrapolate to all sorts of things, such as: wearing nail polish, body piercing, getting hair extensions, bleaching and dyeing hair and beard, waxing, wearing makeup, and so forth. Hair extensions makes for an interesting case because when you get hair extensions you are making short hair longer -- going keshdari so to speak, but by artificial means. | 
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Originally Posted by aad0002 Bhagat ji
Hair extensions makes for an interesting case because when you get hair extensions you are making short hair longer -- going keshdari so to speak, but by artificial means. | ooh, Would love to hear what Singh ji has to say for that.
But ya gurbani is not concerned with short or long hair. It is concerned with the inner self and how this inner self interacts with the outer self and the world. | 
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh In my opinion, gurbani says no such thing about altering our bodies. I would like to see quotes from anyone who thinks otherwise. (I ask the question so people will think about it) |
Lol, nice response the fact you cannot disapprove tattoos and peircings are rituals then i have nothing to say; even present Gurbani wherre it says tattoos are not rituals and it will be accepted. | 
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Originally Posted by Singh Lol, nice response the fact you cannot disapprove tattoos and peircings are rituals then i have nothing to say; even present Gurbani wherre it says tattoos are not rituals and it will be accepted. | Singh ji
It is impossible to prove a negative, that is to prove that something is NOT there. If Bhagat ji canNOT show that Gurbani says tatttoos and piercings are NOT rituals, that proves nothing.
And if Gurbani does not say tattoos and piercings are not rituals, that does not prove that they are rituals. | 
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh ooh, Would love to hear what Singh ji has to say for that.
But ya gurbani is not concerned with short or long hair. It is concerned with the inner self and how this inner self interacts with the outer self and the world. |
i ll respond to this in the hair discussion no need to start this here. This should be moved to the hair discussion page. Note: In context, it is related to this thread as a further example. (aad0002) | 
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Originally Posted by aad0002 Singh ji
It is impossible to prove a negative, that is to prove that something is NOT there. If Bhagat ji canNOT show that Gurbani says tatoos and piercings are NOT rituals, that proves nothing.
And if Gurbani does not say tatoos and piercings are not rituals, that does not prove that they are rituals. |
In Gurbani it talks about rituals and if not a ritual it can be disapproved. All anyone has to prove it is not a ritual, shouldn't be hard | 
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Originally Posted by Singh In Gurbani it talks about rituals and if not a ritual it can be disapproved. All anyone has to prove it is not a ritual, shouldn't be hard | now back that up with quotes please. | 
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Originally Posted by Singh i ll respond to this in the hair discussion no need to start this here. This should be moved to the hair discussion page. Note: In context, it is related to this thread as a further example. (aad0002) | Hair is sacred in Sikhi and tattooes are not, two huge difference here. Like i said i ll discuss this in the hair discussion no need to mix these two completely different topics together. | 
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