How to Recognize a Fake Preacher/Pop Up Guru/Fake Baba etc.

I think the problem is that we are trying to see GURU/BABA in human form whereas the word GURU in Gurbaani is not related for persons,
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We should find out some criterion from within Gurbaani for such conclusion.There is a Qoute in Gurbaani pp444 we should seethat.A FAKE GURUor BABA in human form shall always avoid talking about GUR or GURMATi RAM NAAMu.This is a very strong point to verify.

TRUE GURU Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is all about GUR only.

Prakash.S.Bagga
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Going with the flow can be associated with water which flows within the pipe. A Baba is revealed as fake when he breaks the divine and moral principles. Then he is like the broken pipe that doesn't allow the flow to continue in the same direction.
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There are many fake babas because they never intended to become babas in the beginning but saw the power they held on the blind faith of women especially who repeatedly give them large doses of reverence. They become fake when they dress like a baba. Sometimes it is necessary for them to continue this disguise because the blind faith which it commands from the masses begin to create miracles. The credit is usually given to the baba for the miracles not realizing that the miracles are created by the believers' own devotion.

To understand the power of this placebo effect, please view the video. We definitely can't say that there are fake doctors and psychologist out there to rob us of our money.

namjap ji - Thanks for helping this thread get back on track.

WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES A GURU A GURU? {Post refe CASPIAN Jis}

Very important to know this. IT IS GUR THAT MAKES A GURU.
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In other words GURU is the BODY of the GUR.
This can be known from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash S. Bagga ji you quote this quite often. I can kind of make it but really appreciate if you start a thread or something to fully describe this for everyone.

I assume you mean it to be,

AMBARSARIA Ji,

I certainly get to your point.
I may not be good in giving a start of thread if you can assist me i can contribute to the contents.
I am sure you are from India and you must be familiar with the importance of grammer in the language.You must be familiar how a word is SINGULAR or PLURAL NOUN/ADJECTIVE,Masculine/Faminine etc
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The same thing is applicable to the language of Gurbaani.We need to recognise this pattern of classification of words in Gurbaani.That is all.There is a very very simple formula for this in Gurbaani which we are omitting and it is this consideration that makes the differences in our individuals interpretations.

Second important point I would like to bring to your kind notice is that surprisingly the required gramatical indications in English version of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji do not exist as in Gurmukhi version of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.This further gives rise to confusion and it becomes difficult to identify the grammer of the word
For example
In Gurmukhi version of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji you will find there are three words as GURU...GURu and GUR whereas in English version we have only two as GURU..GUR.Now you can visualise yourself in such circumstances how we can come to clear understanding of Gurbaani.
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I personally feel somewhere we have missed the HIGHWAY in Gurbaani understanding
so we should try to come back to this HIGHWAY of proper understandind of Gurbaanias per gramatical indications of Gurbaani words given by our GURU ARJAN DEV Ji.

Now I come to your quote .
If we look at correct words according to Gurmukhi version of Gurbaani the Quote should beas

"BANi GURUGURU HAE BANI VICH BANI AMRIT SAARE
GURu BANI KAHE SEWAK JAN MAANE PRATAKH GURU NISTARE"

In theabove verse it is important to know the following
In the first line the word GURUGURU
in the second linethe words are GURu and again a word GURU

The exact interpretation is certainly related to the grammer of the words.

So I consider the interpretation of above as BANI is GURUGURU and this is GURu where in GURU is there to clear us off .

I would therefore request you to recognise the way words are classified as SINGULAR /PLURAL. in Gurbaani then we may have better going in understanding

With best wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga

AMBARSARIA Ji,

According to the verse BANI has been reffered as GUR not GURU.You can yourself verify this fact from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that nowhere BANI is being reffered as GURU BANI .
BANI is always reffered as GUR BANI.

The problem is related to a fact that we do not differentiate in the words GUR and GURU.This needs to be analysed why it is SO?
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I am of the view that there should be certainly difference in the reference meanings of thewords GUR and GURU as grammer of these two words is different.I seek your opinion regarding this.

With best wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga