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Originally Posted by randip singh | we have to change entire indian society for it.which is nearly impossible. | 
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Originally Posted by kds1980 we have to change entire indian society for it.which is nearly impossible. | However, one person at a time can have an effect.
Why not try? | 
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| | | | | Re: India's Unwanted Girl's I stopped for a minute and really thought about Randip's questio. At first it seemed impossible -- if even a fraction of 1 percent of the population engages in this practice, in a country of 1 billion -- you are talking about a widespread acceptance of female infanticide and selective abortion. How can you make a difference in 5, 10 or 15 years? Even with patience.
But then I realized that problems buried deep within a society can be solved in a reasonable period of time. They may not be completely solved, but social perceptions can be changed, and real changes can be made in small steps. In the US, only 10 or 15 years ago, domestic violence was a secret -- kept in families -- never addressed. Then celebrities on television and in the film world began to put their names behind movements and campaigned publicly. They sponsored change. We still have domestic violence. But the tolerance is not there. The idea that we should ignore what is happening in the house next door - that has changed. New laws have been put in place to protect victims and to require that doctors and teachers report suspected abuse. Politicians can no longer pretend or look the other way. People are no longer silent. More people are involved. This is just one example. I don't know. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17665
Ending the silence may be the key. | 
23-Oct-2007, 03:44 AM
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| | | | Re: India's Unwanted Girl's Quote:
Originally Posted by Sherab However, one person at a time can have an effect.
Why not try? | to quote a very learned man: Sava Laakh Se Ekh Laraoon! | 
23-Oct-2007, 04:14 AM
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| | | | | Re: India's Unwanted Girl's ANOTHER PROSPECTIVE: India's 'girl deficit' deepest among educated Study: Selective-sex abortion claims 500,000 girls a year. By Scott Baldauf | Staff writer of The Christian Science MonitorReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17665 NEW DELHI - Banned by Indian law for more than a decade, the practice of prenatal selection and selective abortion remains a common practice in India, claiming up to half a million female children each year, according to a recent study by the British medical journal, The Lancet. The use of ultrasound equipment to determine the sex of an unborn child - introduced to India in 1979 - has now spread to every district in the country. The study found it played a crucial role in thetermination of an estimated 10 million female fetuses in the two decades leading up to 1998, and 5 million since 1994, the year the practice was banned. Few doctors in regular clinics offer the service openly, but activists estimate that sex-selection is a $100 million business in India, largely through mobile sex-selection clinics that can drive into almost any village or neighborhood. The practice is common among all religious groups - Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Muslims, and Christians - but appears to be most common among educated women, a fact that befuddles public health officials and women's rights activists alike. "More educated women have more access to technology, they are more privileged, and most educated families have the least number of children," says Sabu George, a researcher with the Center for Women's Development Studies in New Delhi, who did not participate in the study. "This is not just India. Everywhere in the world, smaller families come at the expense of girls." Like China, India has encouraged smaller families through a mixture of financial incentives and campaigns calling for two children at most. Faced with such pressure, many families, rich and poor alike, are turning to prenatal selection to ensure that they receive a son. It's a problem with many potential causes - from social traditions to the economic burden of dowries - but one that could have strong social repercussions for generations to come. The Lancet survey, conducted by Prabhat Jha of St. Michael's Hospital at the University of Toronto and Rajesh Kumar of the Postgraduate Institute of Medical Research in Chandigarh, India, looked at government data collected from a 1998 sample of Indian families in all the districts of the country. From this data, they concluded that 1 out of every 25 female fetuses is aborted, roughly 500,000 per year. Many doctors, including the Indian Medical Association, dispute the findings of the report, saying that the number of female feticides is closer to 250,000 per year. They note that the data sample used by The Lancet study precedes a 2001 Supreme Court decision outlawing the use of ultrasounds to check for girls. But activists note that the law is largely unenforced. "If there were half a million feticides a year," S.C. Gulati of the Delhi Institute of Economic Growth told the Indian news channel IBN, "the sex ratio would have been very skewed indeed." Yet the sex ratio is skewed. According to the official Indian Census of 2001, there were 927 girl babies for every 1,000 boy babies, nationwide. The problem is worst in the northwestern states of Haryana, Punjab, Delhi, and Gujarat, where the ratio is less than 900 girls for every 1,000 boys. Against common expectations, female feticide is not a crime of India's backward masses. Instead, it is most common among India's elite, who can afford multiple trips to an ultrasound clinic, and the hushed-up abortion of an unwanted girl. In the prosperous farming district of Kurukshetra, for instance, there are only 770 girl babies for every 1,000 boys. In the high-rent Southwest neighborhoods of New Delhi, the number of girl babies is 845 per 1,000 boys. Some activists say it is wrong to blame Indian society for the incidents of female feticide. The main cause for the "girl deficit," they say, is the arrival of ultrasound technology, and the entrepreneurial spirit of Indian doctors. "This is not a cultural thing," says Donna Fernandez, director of Vimochana, a women's rights group based in Bangalore. "This is much more of an economic and political issue. It has got a lot to do with the globalization of technology. It's about the commodification of choices." Cultures don't change overnight, of course, so it's no wonder that activists are focusing attention on regulating the technology that makes feticide possible, the ultrasound. By law, the government can regulate - but not deny - the use of prenatal diagnostic techniques for the purposes of detecting birth defects, but not gender itself. Activists say that while most doctor's offices and clinics have signboards saying that they cannot disclose the gender of a child, it is rare to see a doctor prosecuted if he does so. Karuna Bishnoi, spokeswoman for UNICEF in Delhi, says it shouldn't come as a surprise that educated women are among the most likely to use prenatal sex determination. "I personally believe this as a failure of society, not a failure of women," says Ms. Bishnoi. "Women who choose this technique may be victims of discrimination themselves, and they may not be the decisionmakers. Nobody can deny that the status of women is very low in India. There is no quick fix to this." The cultural practice of giving a dowry to the groom's family puts a tremendous financial burden on a bride's family. The cost of not paying a larger dowry can be even higher. In the high-tech city of Bangalore, activists report that it is still common for women to be burned alive by husbands who expected a larger dowry. While most of India's religions condemn discrimination against women, there are a few temples in the state of Punjab that promise to help bring fewer women into existence. At the Bir Baba Mandir in Amritsar, couples eat flatbread and onions to ensure a boy child. As a researcher for 20 years on female feticide, conducting field research in the highly educated state of Tamil Nadu, Sabu George says he has some qualms about The Lancet study. In particular, he feels that taking the figures from one year and projecting them backward 20 years just doesn't square with the facts on the ground.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17665 But while he believes The Lancet study may have exaggerated the number of female abortions in the past 20 years, it also might underestimate the exponential growth of female feticide into the futures. "This is a much larger problem in the future," he says. "Without strong pressure by civil society groups, we'll be seeing 1 million female feticides every year within five years time, definitely." | 
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| | | | | Re: India's Unwanted Girl's SGPC wakes up to declining sex ratio Tribune News Service Patiala, October 22 The SGPC will soon release a book on the declining sex ratio in the state. Besides the book, literature on ills of female foeticide will also be published and distributed free of cost in all gurdwaras functioning under the SGPC. As per the latest data, Sansarwal village in Patiala has a sex ratio of 438/1000, Churpur 464/1000, Dhughet 465/1000, Bosar Kalan 625/1000, Budhae Majra 611/1000, Babipur 528/1000, Sadarpur 550/1000, Shekhupur 467/1000, Ase Majra 608/1000, Khunti Chaura 556/1000, Dharaura Kalan 559/1000, Jalal Kher 563/1000, Dhareri Jalan 584/1000, Dhoni Majra 636/1000, Baramhpura 567/1000, Malomajra 583/1000, Mahmoolpur 586/1000, Ramgarh 608/1000, Butan Singh Wala 600/1000 and Bohpur 605/1000. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17665 Jathedar of Akal Takht Joginder Singh Vedanti has given the task of penning the said literature to Harshinder Kaur, who has been working in the area for the past more than five years. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17665 He was here to release her book on child psychology. The book was released by the jathedar in the presence of Punjabi scholar Pritam Singh. Harshinder said the jathedar was moved by the latest statistics regarding the declining sex ratio, especially in the 0-6 age group in the state. Besides foeticide and infanticide, the single-child norm being adopted by Punjabi families was one major reason for the declining sex ratio. Families in the state are increasingly opting for single child in which the male child is the obvious preference. “The jathedar immediately told me to pen down a book on the dangers posed by the declining sex ratio in the state. He also said the matter would be discussed with other Sikh high priests and the clergy could consider issuing a hukamnama on the issue, she said.
The message from the highest seat of Sikh religion, Akal Takht, can make a considerable difference in changing the attitude of people towards girl child, she said and added that the latest figures released by the health survey of the state have made Patiala as the district having the lowest sex ratio in the state. The villages extending from Rajpura to Patran have been found to be having about an average sex ratio of just 600 per 1000 men, which could be the lowest in the country. As per the 2001 census, Fatehgarh Sahib district had the minimum sex ratio of just 754/1000 while Patiala had 870 females per thousand males. However, as per the latest one Patiala seems to have surpassed every district in terms of the declining sex ratio. | 
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Originally Posted by Sherab However, one person at a time can have an effect.
Why not try? | You are right one person can have effect
i have a big debate on sikhportal When delhi sikh gurudwara imposed ban on hi fi marriages.majority of rich sikhs even the girls were saying that when we have money then why can't we spend it on marriage.my arguement was that it is mainly the girl's family which has to spend so much.so for the sake of society this ban is good.so the reality is that people are not ready to sacrifice even one of their single pleasure. | 
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Originally Posted by aad0002 I stopped for a minute and really thought about Randip's questio. At first it seemed impossible -- if even a fraction of 1 percent of the population engages in this practice, in a country of 1 billion -- you are talking about a widespread acceptance of female infanticide and selective abortion. How can you make a difference in 5, 10 or 15 years? Even with patience.
But then I realized that problems buried deep within a society can be solved in a reasonable period of time. They may not be completely solved, but social perceptions can be changed, and real changes can be made in small steps. In the US, only 10 or 15 years ago, domestic violence was a secret -- kept in families -- never addressed. Then celebrities on television and in the film world began to put their names behind movements and campaigned publicly. They sponsored change. We still have domestic violence. But the tolerance is not there. The idea that we should ignore what is happening in the house next door - that has changed. New laws have been put in place to protect victims and to require that doctors and teachers report suspected abuse. Politicians can no longer pretend or look the other way. People are no longer silent. More people are involved. This is just one example. I don't know.
Ending the silence may be the key. | Anotinia ji this problem is not like domestic voilence.it is mainly concerned with money
and old age security.majority of people in india still beleive that a boy is best old age security while a daughter is paraya dhan(others property)
The whole society beleives that it is the duty of the son to take care of parents.
even if daughter is earning 100000 per month and the son is earning only 10,000 the respectable parents would not accept a single penny from daughter while they do not hesistate to take money from son.
i have a debate with one of the woman member of my family who has feminist mentality
but she also beleives that the case of son and daughter is different and respectable parents should not take money from daughters.if this is the mentality of educated people of india then only god knows what is the mentality undeducated villagers.
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