Bhagvad Geeta be made national "dharma shastra" !

Huck_Finn · #10 (**permalink**) 12-Sep-2007, 10:13 AM

Justice Srivastava is a closet RSS pracharak

with impending possible elections this was another twist of the tail of the fundamentalism bull by RSS
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also for the records-

the remarks were not recorded in official court proceedings
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these were made after the judge had pronounced judgement and made as "remarks"

such remarks do not carry any consitutional weights..

its almost like the stupid bollywood movies judges who make diatribes
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harpreetsingh · #11 (**permalink**) 14-Sep-2007, 14:17 PM

The News.

The Article/news about Geeta may be made as ‘National Dharma’ has provided us a chance to introspect as to what are the chances that even if it is implemented in future can we really hold it unconstitutional . It is the analysis that I did for self-study. It is presented below that includes the constitutional provisions as well. Whether Geeta is good or not is not discussed here.[1]

Reference of Gita in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

To the best of knowledge The reference of Geeta has appeared in one of the entry of Namdev ji. It is quoted below. No where in the Granth Sahib ji there is condemnation of the same.

gurmiq rwm nwm ghu mIqw ] (874-16, goNf, Bgq nwmdyv jI)
gurmat raam naam gahu meetaa.
Follow the Guru's Teachings, and hold tight to the Lord's Name, O friend.
pRxvY nwmw ieau khY gIqw ]5]2]6] (874-17, goNf, Bgq nwmdyv jI)
paranvai naamaa i-o kahai geetaa. ||5||2||6||
Thus prays Naam Dayv, and so says the Gita as well. ||5||2||6||

Reference Of Vedas In Granth sahib Maharaj

There are many entries of Vedas in Granth Sahib ji. I am quoting a few here. The reference shows that it is admitted that it is highly respected scripture. I am not able to quote others as the entries are many. I am skipping thru. the other entries may kindly be seen and if someone finds out whether these have been condemned in Granth Sahib ji. It may be posted for the benefit of all.

No.1.

gurmuiK nwdM gurmuiK vydM gurmuiK rihAw smweI ] (2-8, jpu, mÚ 1)
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gurmukh naadaN gurmukh vaydaN gurmukh rahi-aa samaa-ee.
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The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.

No.2

bhaa-ee ray gur bin gi-aan na ho-ay.
O Siblings of Destiny, without the Guru, there is no spiritual wisdom.
pUChu bRhmy nwrdY byd ibAwsY koie ]1] rhwau ] (59-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
poochhahu barahmay naardai bayd bi-aasai ko-ay. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Go and ask Brahma, Naarad and Vyaas, the writer of the Vedas. ||1||Pause||

However, Rehatnama Of SGPC has some points about Upnishadas and other scriptures
Coming now straight to the point The following is presented.

Sikhs Non Entity in India

Do we have the constitutional recognition as Sikhs in India, the largest Democracy on the mother Earth . No Sir, Sikhs are treated almost as clan as part of Hindus and have no separate identity so far as the constitution Of India is concerned. Similar is the treatment to Budhist and Jains. Sikhs are non-entity so far as the constitution is concerned. Given below are the extracts of the relevant Article of the Constitution Of India. Article here would mean section as is read in other Statutes. The constitution Of India is also a statute. It does a lip service for Sikhs and that is all. I do not know as to what SGPC has done for last so many decades. Even Muslims having 10 times the population Of Sikhs in India enjoy minority status. Sikhs do not have those benefits. May be it is an eye opener for some of us.

Constitution Of India

Relevant Article Of Constitution Of India: In reference to Religion and faith.

The following article deals with the above matter.

(1) Subject to public order, morality and health and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practise and propagate religion.
(2) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation of any existing law or prevent the State from making any law—
(a) regulating or restricting any economic, financial, political or other secular activity which may be associated with religious practice;
(b) providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus.

Explanation I.—The wearing and carrying of kirpans shall be deemed to be included in the profession of the Sikh religion.

Explanation II.—In sub-clause (b) of clause (2), the reference to Hindus shall be construed as including a reference to persons professing the Sikh, Jaina or Buddhist religion, and the reference to Hindu religious institutions shall be construed accordingly.

SEE Expanation II aa above.
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Are we are proud to be Classed with Hindus.? It is Courtesy non-action SGPC and its bandwagon

Conclusion

A. Gita or any other scrpture can be made national Dharma and as per above analysis it is constitutionally feasible even under article 51A of the Constitution Of India. May be it is morally wrong. But we live in a democracy where we are governed by a written constitution that our Parliament has approved long back.The following questions are worthy of further analysis.

1.We lack a strong leadership in Sikhs. Most of SGPC members seem to be unaware of this and also of their duty toward the Khalsa Panth. I shall not indulge in criticism beyond this as they are successful in keeping Harmandir Sahib Intact.

2.Are we united at International Forum.? There was a problem in France regarding Turban. There was a problem about Sikhs head gear being checked and likewise so many others may be there that need not be included.

[1] [Note:I have read Geeta more than 100 times. As an objective analyst I like the quotes. Geeta is the extract of The Vedas and upnishdas that are stated to be created by The Almighty.Infact I referred to Geeta after going thru. Granth Sahib ji Maharaj]

drkhalsa · #12 (**permalink**) 14-Sep-2007, 16:27 PM

Dear Friend

I think otherwise

I think It is morally OK to make Gita National Dharma as I have also read It ( Translation ) and Found out it s just same as Guru Granth Sahib

But TechnicallY its difficult
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Even if Hindu majority tries to pass such bill in both Houses of parliament it would be a failure for sure
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why? even in this country no doubt Hindu is Majority but still they they dont have say on such MAtter s pretaining to their Religious matter and they have hardly Achieved any ting in such sense even in the past be it RAM JANAM BHUMI or RAM SETU to be latest .

Hindus are not united and not intergrated on such issues and its fact even a Majoruty in India HIndu do suffer at the hands of others in this country

JAtinder Singh

gurvinder_janu · #13 (**permalink**) 15-Sep-2007, 15:44 PM

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sadh Sangat Ji

This is what the Indian Constitution says:

Preamble
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
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JUSTICE, social, economic and political;
LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship;
EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the Nation;
IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.

Part IVA Fundamental Duties
Article 51A Fundamental duties
It shall be the duty of every citizen of India -
(a) to abide by the Constitution and respect its ideals and institutions, the National Flag and the National Anthem;
(b) to cherish and follow the noble ideals which inspired our national struggle for freedom;
(c) to uphold and protect the sovereignty, unity and integrity of India;
(d) to defend the country and render national service when called upon to do so;
(e) to promote harmony and the spirit of common brotherhood amongst all the people of India transcending religious, linguistic and regional or sectional diversities; to renounce practices derogatory to the dignity of women;
(f) to value and preserve the rich heritage of our composite culture;
(g) to protect and improve the natural environment including forests, lakes, rivers and wild life, and to have compassion for living creatures;
(h) to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform;
(i) to safeguard public property and to abjure violence;
(j) to strive towards excellence in all spheres of individual and collective activity so that the nation constantly rises to higher levels of endeavour and achievement.
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Do you think the judgement applies to all that is said in the Article?

Please forgive me.

Gurvinder Kaur

drkhalsa · #14 (**permalink**) 15-Sep-2007, 18:06 PM

Quote:

he RSS has sought to blame Prime Minister Manmohan Singh directly for the controversial affidavit on Lord Ram and pointed to his Sikh faith and its sacred texts that contain numerous references to the revered figure.
An editorial in RSS mouthpiece 'Organiser' alleged that Congress chief Sonia Gandhi would not be able to understand India and its "identity Ram" because of her foreign and Catholic origin.
"Prime minister Manmohan Singh, a confirmed religious Sikh, should have known better, for the holy Guru Granth Sahib, holy gurbani of revered Guru Gobind Singh are known for their salutations to Sri Ram," the Sangh mouthpiece wrote.
"Sonia Gandhi will not know. She will never understand this country. No foreigner can fathom the place of Sri Ram in the lives of the people of this country. Sri Ram is the identity of India. But the UPA action was premeditated and calculated," it said.
The write-up also referred to Gandhi's Catholic origin as it accused the government of regarding Ram as a fiction.
It also found "understandable" shipping minister T R Balu's rejection of demands to realign the Sethusamudram project because of his Dravida background.
"The overenthusiasm of T R Balu on the subject is understandable, for he belongs to a creed that always revelled in sympathising with the heroism of Ravana, the abductor of Mata Sita," the editorial said.
Earlier this year, the Akal Takht, Sikhism's highest temporal authority, took strong exception to an RSS statement posted on its Website that says Sikhs are part of the great Hindu Samaj.

This is good example how Hindus are do divided on CORE issues of their religion so it better we Foget about GITA as national Dharma even hindus will apposes this surely!!!

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