Why some of the sikhs deny creation of khalistan?

Neet84 · #10 (**permalink**) 15-Aug-2007, 22:28 PM

Khalistan is needed and here is why;

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India claims to be the worlds largest democracy-yet its constitution fails to see Sikhs as distinct from Hindu’s (they regard Sikh’s as a sect of Hinduism).

Partition split the Punjab specifically and as a result left many Sikh families homeless yet when presented with opportunities to have a separate nation during partition Sikh’s chose to stay unified with India. Had we chose to build a separate nation would the 1984 attack have happened? Some Sikh’s feel let down and betrayed by a government they fought for turning round on them and mutilating their fellow Sikhs.

The Indian constitution, its laws and monopolization of power have had different effects on different communities; namely empowering the dominant ethnic community (a common feature in postcolonial states in Asia and Africa). While India may preach one nation, they have rendered many ethnic groups devoid of power or influence.

In addition no other province has exported so many of its people abroad to extent that Punjab has; especially during the last three decades (Tatla, 1999). Being in the Sikh Diaspora more specifically as the daughter of a previous Indian Army Officer (who’s Father and Grandfather fought for India) it is personally saddening to see how the Indian Government repays loyalty. There is no doubting the fact that Indian politics is fascist; they played a pivotal role in why many Sikh’s moved away from the promise of one nation.

Those who talk about mother india and nationalism need to have a hard look at what India has done to it's people. Wake-up Sikh's will always be second-class citizens in India. Khalistan is essential for the survival of Sikhs and offers ALL Punjabis a safe haven from brutal human rights violations (the Indian Government is guilty of ethnic cleansing-whether it be Sikhs, Christians or Muslims)

TGill · #11 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 01:46 AM

Please open up and use your own mind...

1 - Who says that Sikhs are second class citizens in india... please correct yourself as people as far as in Madras respect you. Need is just to try to be a true human being as Guruji told us to be. If you say that you remain corrupt from inside out and people still should respect you than I am sorry.
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2 - Why do you need some constitution to accept that you are seperate religion. I wish they would have not accepted us different from Islam, Sufism and Janism etc. as well. We are one with all and that is what make us different, remember !!

3 - Now you're talking about Khalistan, tomorrow you will ask for Jattistan, Khatristan and don't know how many -stans. Wasn't one Pakistan different from us enough.

4 - Stop asking about what India has done for Sikhs. First tell me what so called sikhs have done for sikhs or for Punjab. The ground reality is that farmers are dying in Punjab where once the Green revolution originated ( How many sikh diaspora have brought investment in Punjab) . Punjabi youth is moving to IT destinations like Gurgaon and Bangalore to earn their living. You can't even bring corporates to invest in Punjab, what will you do in Khalistan. The entrepreneurial spirit of Punjabi youth is dying because of easy ways to fly abroad.

Please stop becoming jehadis and stop poisoning the love created by Gurus,
Your so called fools who claims to be khalistan leaders have done enough to make the environment vicious!!
Work for your own physical, mental and spiritual development. Respect others and remain human, love humanity, you will be respected.

The bride braids her hair with Truth; her clothes are decorated with His Love.
Like the essence of sandalwood, He permeates her consciousness, and the Temple of the Tenth Gate is opened.
The lamp of the Shabad is lit, and the Name of the Lord is her necklace
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Guru Granth Sahib Page 54.

Neet84 · #12 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 02:21 AM

TGill

You raise a number of points, which I have responded to below;
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1 The massacre of thousands of Sikhs and the horrific attack on our holiest shrine only 23 years ago is indicative of how the Indian Govt treats Sikhs as second class citizens. Do I want Sikhs in India or indeed any other religion to be treated in such a manner? I can whole-heartedly say no. Our Gurus fought for everyone's rights and requested Sikhs to defend the rights of others and ourselves. Let me make myself clear when I say this; my problem is not with the people of India but of the corrupt murdering Govt (if you think they are not then check the Amnesty International website for independent reports).
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2 India broadcasts it's constituation as an emblem of democracy; by not even recognising the existance of a distinct faiths thatare born in India and make-up the country is ignorant to say the least. Guru ji stated that Sikh is one route to God and that all other faiths should be treated with equal respect. I of course completely agree. However Islam, Jainism and Sikhi are distinctly different, we are not the same; else why did Guru Nanak feel the need to create Sikhism. Sikhism was and is a ground-breaking religion that actually embodied equality for all (regardless of caste, gender, wealth etc). Also your point in section two is a contradiction in terms; first you state we should be accepted the same as other faiths and then you say by doing this it makes us different.

3. Do not stereotype me with your preset views of what Khalistanis are. By suggesting I am looking for a caste based society you are actually contradicting the faith I believe.

4. Sikhs make up 2-3% of the Indian population and are represented in the army at a rate of 20%. Sikhs fought alongside the Govt and did not opt to have an independent state, look at how we were repaid (our sisters were raped and brothers were killed in 84 and after). You make some valid points about lack of economic development of Punjab. India has directed all its resources and investment to places like Banglore, why has it not been distributed equally? No wonder qualified Sikhs are going where the jobs are.

FYI-I do not have a Khalistan leader, I have my own views and feel no shame in expressing them.

Neet

deepsingh87 · #13 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 03:02 AM

look how india is repecting sikhs and others
http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp...ros&sid=2&pn=1

TGill · #14 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 03:51 AM

Neet ji, How do you propose Khalistan will solve any problems that humanity face (although I know it is totally concerned with sikh race of humanity), how can you say that people won't be corrupt then?
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1. No one can deny govt. is corrupt and there are many amnesty international reports be it Gujarat riots, Sikhs plight after operation blue star , babri masjid, etc. etc. but the big question is tell me how many countries will you make then. Corruption sees no religion, how so ever seperate countries you make. Make muslims also a first class citizen, make buddhist also first class citizens, why only sikhs... Is their contribution not enough.

2. I said, I wish they would have not even declared us seperate from islam , jainism, buddhism and other religions as well. Why do you need it seperate, If you are a true seeker with Guru your values is something which will make you stand different. I think the statement I made was itself quite non - contradictory in itself. I said you don't need to ask for something seperate cos you believe you are a part of all, that is what gives you distinctness.

3. Did Guruji make a political state of control for sikhism. On the contrary Guru Gobind Singh helped Bahadur Shah to restore his Mughal empire in India after Aurangzeb. He could have easily asked for a seperate state for sikhs. Isn't it ?

4. Corruption repays like this only, this is not limited to sikhs (you know that). Why investment did not happen in Punjab is not what the indian govt. did, it is what so called sikh govt. did. So the root cause is corruption of mind not the political govt. Ok if govt. is corrupt why don't sikhs show their mantle and help Punjab become an economy bigger than rest of india, bring investment to punjab, be more enterpreneurial. Make it so progressive that not only india but the whole world have to think twice to mess with you. Indian govt. can't stop you at all to do this.

Huck_Finn · #15 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 05:47 AM

the only investment NR Punjabis bring is money to splash on daru parties for villagers, building kothis and splurging on suits
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all it leads to is:

1. unrealistic inflation, land rates in punjab are not justified today. Living in ludhiana, chandigarh is even more expensive that larger metros

2. easy money being sent to youth leads them to drugs and is spoiling the youth

3. having a relative flashing money gives the youth "glamour" life abroad dreams and instead to studying and proving their mettle they take easy way out to go to italy, and God knows where...

so my dear NR Punjabis...please evaluate what you have been doing to punjab. i think if left alone, punjab would do better with India rather than as an independent country.

Huck_Finn · #16 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 05:49 AM

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i don't know about india , but vcertainly people are treated as second citizens in other countries where they chose to go.

why don't you also relmember that just 60 odd years back the british also killed a lot of our people....why don't you hate Britain for that????

manmohan singh · #17 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 23:12 PM

In my opinion the attrocities beared by our Gurus and their families are much more than anything we can even dream to bear. And even then THEY did not demanded separate state or nation. They only wish to serve the mankind.

Now second thing that what ever we are getting that is due to our deeds only. (It is also endorsed in Shri Guru Granth Sahib and are the words of Guru Nanak Dev ji Himself) Come and see the state of Sikhism specifically in Punjab. Everybody (Majority) is trying to play with sikhism and using it to get benefit somehow from this presious thought. And hence we are bound to face these tough conditions. At the time of Gurus the Sikhs were very handful and the number has increased due to their character which they reflected to the society. Everybody was so astonished and soothed by hearing Gurus vani that this much love is present in the Hearts of our Gurus and Sikhs. So my dear to get something good our deeds should reflect the same thing. Today also who are preserving real Sikhi they are honoured everywhere. It is the time for introspection. And the first point in our thought should be that why we are getting detached from the roots of Gursikhi. Second thought should be that what is the general interest of sikh clergy to educate their children to reach some hieght that is visible and appreciated by all, etc, etc. This is what my analysis is speaking.

Akashdeep Singh · #18 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2007, 23:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amarsanghera

i don't know about india , but vcertainly people are treated as second citizens in other countries where they chose to go.

why don't you also relmember that just 60 odd years back the british also killed a lot of our people....why don't you hate Britain for that????

My friend,

One crime is no justification for the other?

Moreover, you will be surprised to know that some countries actually give better treatment to people who come from other countries as compared to the treatment that one gets even by changing from one State to the other in India.

Chardi Kala,
-Akashdeep Singh