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Cults- Dangerous approach to destabilize a community. Every faith/religion is facing and has faced this disease for centuries.


Led by certainly not bad men/women, but EVIL BEINGS.


Cults, look wonderful on the outside but very manipulating on the inside. Cult leaders are desperate to trick you into joining their belief. They are after your obedience, your time and your hard earned money. Their targets include- intelligent, idealistic, well educated, economically advantaged, intellectually or Spiritually curious people of any age, especially youth. In the beginning they target people from their own community and later extend their practice to others belonging to different faiths and religions.


These fake babas use sophisticated mind control and recruitment techniques that have been refined over time. They read all the Scriptures carefully, and are very well aware of all the existing beliefs. Beware of thinking that you are immune from cult involvement, in our community cults have hundreds and thousands and some have even millions of members around the world who once thought they were immune, and still don't know they are in a cult! To spot a cult you need to know how they work and you need to understand the techniques they use to involve others into their nets. This effort is to make the Sadh Sangat aware of the tools and techniques used by fake babas.


Tips to spot Fake Babas- :


They knowingly lie to have enlightenment. They claim to give you enlightenment at a touch.
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They are stuck in the intermediate zone and start believing that they are fully enlightened. These babas may have some genuine insight but deluded in the belief of the attainment of the highest state of consciousness. To prove their point they make unbelievable stories to manipulate your mind.


They are good artful showmen. They themselves are deluded and are very good at deluding others like perfect con-artists.


They make pacca promises of miracles as well as of Salvation/Mukti.

They are merely more or less close to a bhai in Gurdwara Sahib, a pundit in a Temple, a priest in a Church, a rabbi in a Synagogue, an imam in a Mosque; but preaching all or partly the opposite……….No attainment of the Truth whatsoever.
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They have nothing of their own, so will be using Scriptures from one or more religions. Some part out of which they will interpret truthfully, and the rest they twist and misinterpret to match their own self proclaimed beliefs. Let us put it this way, they have no message of their own.

They are always against some major faith/religion. Abusive in nature. Their main goal is always to condemn one or more faiths, to make room for their so-called untrue belief.

Always advertising themselves and condemning others. Their main goal is to brain wash others and turn them from an objective rational beings into their faithful followers. Their common tools while practicing their art of deception are repetitions, promises coupled with threats, chanting, some form of controlled meditation and more.

They seem overly sincere in the beginning. They start with telling the truth-this is the best. First they tell them what people already know. Then they add some bits of truth in it, and then gradually they veer off into the realms of half-truths, fantasy, and finally total and plain lies. So they lead people from what is known and accepted, to what is unknown and doubted. This is their way of weaving a seamless fabric of fact and fantasy.

They get irritated when confronted by the true believers from the faiths they are condemning. This is the time when they misinterpret others beliefs the most. You can see at that time how their art of misinterpretation is continually in a state of flux and have no sure foundation on which to anchor their hope.

They openly support all other cults. Especially those who are against the same faith they are opposing.

Their knowledge and the blessings are for sale. Will accept expensive gifts and Money from their followers Shamelessly.

They manipulate devotees even sexually. Their common targets are young women.

They make it look like a religious group, this is a common mistake people make in spotting them. Haathi ke daant- khane ke aur, dikhane ke aur.

There are some cults who operate secretively, very interesting behaviour. These recruiters claim that they cannot talk in front of your family and/or friends. They perform their act of manipulation successively- first one person from a family or a group is chosen, brainwashed, and threatened(if you leave us-you will be on the path of eternal distruction). Then they use this person to scare the rest of the family.

They mix –Emotion, Intuition and Spirituality into one word-‘feeling’, where all the three are million light years apart.

These babas generally promote the false claim that God has revealed something special to them. Their belief is generally the truth that has never before been revealed and it always supersedes and contradicts all previous revelations. They claim that the mission of all/any previous Messiah(s) was left unfinished and the world is now ready for the completion of that work through them.

Some of these babas are a step ahead, they do not claim to any new truth; instead they believe that they alone have the key to interpret the mysteries in the existing Scriptures. Their statement here will be: The Scriptures are their only acknowledged source of authority, but they are interpreted unreasonably and in a way different from that of the Real Truth.

Some of them say that the existing Scriptures are not complete. So they claim to have a true authoritative source.

Some cults claim one thing publicly but internally believe something totally different. Many such organizations call themselves true believers of the existing faiths and religions when in fact they totally or partially deny the fundamentals of that faith.

In some of these cults you can openly see the division of devotees on the basis of their economic status. In their Satsangs it is so obvious.

There was a time it was easy to spot a cult because they wore strange clothes, if not all, at least the fake baba did. Now, only some do, but mostly look like everyday people. These babas do not want you to realize that you are being recruited into a cult.

All sorts of people are involved in cults. Many cults are full of intelligent, attractive and skilled people. One of the few common denominators is that the followers were often recruited at a low point in their life. In this world of fake babas emotion is used to convert the unsuspecting.

i encourage others to add more tips.

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wahguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji kee fateh!
Der bhenjee,
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you sound like you have been hurt by a cult. Is that true?

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wahguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji kee fateh!
Der bhenjee,

you sound like you have been hurt by a cult. Is that true?

thanks

No i have not been hurt with Waheguru's grace, but the recruiters from all the active cults are always after others. Have seen them doing it very many times, total of these cults are somewhere in hundreds which are well known and are always standing at your doorsteps telling you- 'your faith is not giving you anthing-you should try mine'. They do not know you, they do not know what your faith is, and most important thing is that they do not know that what they are telling others have NO REAL SPIRITUAL Realivence at all- but they do know that your faith is not working for you- wonderful....



it does not take much time to know what a person is trying to do, leave alone the possibility of getting hurt..... Have Faith in God



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Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji De Bachan in Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page# 72



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Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji De Bachan in Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji page# 72



siqguir imilAY Plu pwieAw ]
ijin ivchu Ahkrxu cukwieAw ]
durmiq kw duKu kitAw Bwgu bYTw msqik Awie jIau ]11]
AMimRqu qyrI bwxIAw ]
qyirAw Bgqw irdY smwxIAw ]
suK syvw AMdir riKAY AwpxI ndir krih insqwir jIau ]12]


Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Raam Das Ji page #304

qU vyprvwhu AQwhu hY Aqulu ikau qulIAY ]
sy vfBwgI ij quDu iDAwiedy ijn siqguru imlIAY ]
siqgur kI bwxI siq srUpu hY gurbwxI bxIAY ]
siqgur kI rIsY hoir kcu ipcu boldy sy kUiVAwr kUVy JiV pVIAY ]
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but do u think we should point out fingers at any onw without full knowledge .... ???? these day monas hate babas who tell them to keep hairs to be sikh but love those who say sikhi is far above then hairs .... and in same way singhs hate such babas ....
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every one love those baba who say ur doing right no need to change .... who say u need to change to be sikh is presented in society in such a way that he is fake

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but do u think we should point out fingers at any onw without full knowledge .... ???? these day monas hate babas who tell them to keep hairs to be sikh but love those who say sikhi is far above then hairs .... and in same way singhs hate such babas ....

every one love those baba who say ur doing right no need to change .... who say u need to change to be sikh is presented in society in such a way that he is fake

bhulchuk maaf

Respected Jassa Ji,


This is the exact reason i am making an effort to make my fellow Sikhs aware of the truth about fake Babas/cults.



People are being misled by many cults. It is not happening only in Sikhism, it has happened and is happening in every good faith. When it goes on for a long time, more and more people get involved in the superstitions and wrong notions instead of their real faith and traditions. They start believing that whatever they have, is their faith, and as there are so many following the same practice- it becomes a fashion. Real faith fades away. We must learn from other's experiences, if somebody else has fallen into a ditch, all the efforts should be done not to fall into the same ditch, anything should be done to save ourself.



It is an effort to keep the 'SOUL OF SIKHI' alive in EVERY SIKH'S heart and mind.



note: i have used the word-'Baba'- it is easier this way for punjabis/sikhs to understand what i am talking about and to make it clear i used the prefix 'fake'. it makes it clear that i am not talking about 'good babas'- brahgiani/Saint/Bhagat;
i am talking about 'evil babas'.




This is an honest effort to stop people from- falling into superstitions/being misled/having a wrong interpretation of their own faith......



This is done to bring AWARENESS.









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