on my mind lately (ridiculous caste system)

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so anyways, there has been alot of talk about "caste" in my household. my family is against the idea, however sometimes they start up about "jatt this or jatt that." my parents say we are "ramghadias" *rolls eyes* however i am STRICTLY against any caste system. Guru Gobind SIngh Ji abolished this system in 1699 with the formation of the Khalsa Panth. However, if you look in Sikh society, so many people are bent on their "caste." it angers me to no end. i mean how can these people totally disregard such an important aspect of our faith. when and how can this stop?

perhaps its because Khalistan never formed. maybe its because Sikhs live in the Hindu dominated India so they have picked up this kind of garbage? would you guys think this would have happened if Khalistan had been formed?
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also, this article scared the living **** out of me. i mean if you think about it, with so many idiots believing in a caste system for Sikhs can this really be possible?

article: Panthic Weekly: Illustrated: Hinduization of Sikh Faith & History
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im sorry if my anger has gotten the best of me, it just really steams me to see/hear stuff like this.


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Well, firstly caste is not new to Sikhism. A generation or two ago, it was unthinkable to marry out of caste, and actually in the villages it was not even allowed. I mean, mini riots used to start over this sort of thing, really. And common sense should always apply, one should apply the values people grew up with and most likely things will make more sense. To tell anybody what to think usually results in upleasantness, even if one is correct.
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Secondly, yes the Sikhs will become hinduized. It is hard to be 2% of the population, prosperous, aggressive, adaptable, educated, and spiritually accepting in a population of 1 billion, what do you think will happen. And to your question, obviously if Bhindranwale had been successful, a lot of the current problems may have been stemmed, obviously with different issues and problems arising. Actually, we would have wound up much like pakistan, with women separated out and people living in fear of spiritual authority, but with preservation of tradition. Can not have everything can we?

sincerely

• Respectable Jat Sikh family seeks a suitable match for their 29 year old daughter 5’1’’, fair pretty, well educated, working as a nursery practitioner. Suitable match should be of same caste, professionally qualified, 28-30 years old, good natured, British born, non-visitor, non-divorcee, living in Wolverhampton, Birmingham area!

• Respectable ramgharia Sikh family seeks suitable match for their 35 year old daughter. 5’4’’ fair pretty, well educated, working as a solicitor. Suitable match should be of same caste and be professionally qualified.

We have been discussing this caste issue on another thread, Madness of Belief in Caste:Jaat-paat.
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I know of Sikhism only what little I have learned on the Net. As an outsider, I can tell you that the aspect of Sikhism that most rings true to me and is infinitely attractive is the belief in social equality. If this belief is dropped in favour of all this Hindu caste nonsense, you will alienate a lot of us who are seeking and exploring.
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The teachings of the Gurus are beautiful and clean and pure. I do not understand why you feel the need to throw this cow dung, allusion consciously chosen, on top of them.

badmash has already tried to explain this to me. I have thought a lot about it. I cannot accept any aspect of caste for any reason. Whatever the historical reasons, wrong is still wrong.

Dear friends, this is the twenty-first century. Time to mature.

No more ice cream.

Mary

Re: on my mind lately (ridiculous caste system)
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I wonder can you really get rid of caste system? Caste system was based on the type of work one did. A particular line of work stayed with the family and over generations they became experts in thier trades and they never thought of changing to another and if they did they faced resistance from other groups. Ok we may abandon the word caste but then how proudly de we say "lokk our son/daughter has been married into doctors families, Accountants family, Bussiness family. What is that, Is that not again a sect - a caste but in a more updated version to suit or way of life not like the pandoos - caste huh. Any comments?

Yes, and if you think about it, this debate is alive amongh diasporatic sikhs, not so much in India. It is the sense of idealism which clashes with the reality of history.

Caste discrimination is an evil form of racism between people of the same race. I'm sick and tierd of people flaunting their caste or even hiding their caste because they're ashamed! It saddens me that instead of the caste system disappearing, people in the younger generation flaunt it more as if it's a medal!! I've heard ridiculous comments like 'I can drink more...i'm Jatt' how pathetic is that? There hasn't been a day gone by of my uni life where I haven't heard someone comment on someones caste! Like Hai Bhi Sach ji said, your caste was determined by the particular line of work your family did. So why should I as by name...a Jatt flaunt it when my dad is an electrical engineer? No where close to what a Jatt originally is...land owner! And as far as it being blamed on Hindus, how can we blame them for western Sikh society? My mum is a Hindu Brahmin and therefore i associate with a lot of Hindus as well as Sikhs and I can say from what i've seen I have never seen discrimination of caste between Hindus to the extent that I have seen with Sikhs.

Sikhism and techings of all Guru's condemn casetism...
people who still havent get out of this they are not complete sikhs... they might claim themselves to be sikhs but actuly they r not...
sikhism is not from the outward apperance .. rather sikhism is reflected from inner values and how far one has practicaly implemented the teachings of Gurubani...
even a muslim or hindu or christian or jaini can be a sikh if he/she follows the teachings of gurubani in their life.. even without appearing like sikhs(outward appearance)

Gurubani and sikhism is all about spiritualism.. soul and GOD.... but not everyone(born sikh's) is born that lucky to understand that aspect of Gurubani... so they try to show they r sikhs by words.... but if carefully analysed their actions will tell a different story...
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AND NO "KHALISTAN" THING CAN CHANGE THIS ATTITUDE...
TO CHANGE THE ATTITUDE THE PRESENT GENERATION NEED TO TAKE A STAND AND IMPLEMENT THE TEACHINGS OF GURUBANI IN OUR LIVES...

else generation - by - generation things will become worse and worse...