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thank you Gyani ji for your answer and please accept my apologise for any offence my question seems to have caused you. It is quite clear to me now that my question could have been answered by myself had id taken longer to think about it. if I have learned nothing new about sikhism today i have certianly learned to think fully about something before asking questions. I am humbled before you sir and have much to learn. my apologise again for any offence caused
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Tony ji, when looking at answers presented, it is always a good idea to look for the support behind the statements made in the answer. it is also a good idea to then weigh the that support i.e. how strong is it? If there is no support then its fair to ignore the answer altogether.
If you find youself in a situation where you are accepting any information presented, then you may find yourself having confirmation bias. When one already agrees with the information presented , whether its true or not, then it becomes easier to accept it, even if there is no support behind it.
So once again its a good idea to analyze what has been presented before jumping to conclusions. Of course, more questions arise when analyzing the information.

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Dear Bhagatsingh ji
My post was only to apologise to Gyani ji, because id thought id offended him and did not want to further offend, it did not mean i agreed with his answer i just knew what the answer would be. I hold no spirituality towards any worldly item and most certainly dont think that by the wearing of them it would bring me any closer to God or salvation, Ive seen far to many who wear items in all religions believing that that is enough to gain access to heaven to follow suit. I believe that those who practice good to others are the true ones to learn from. After listening to others I normally listen to my conscience and then act accordingly, on that occassion I didnt and thought that id offended. My thanks go to you for your sound advice though and agree entirely with you that spirituality is in the mind not in uniforms.
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Dear Bhagatsingh ji
My post was only to apologise to Gyani ji, because id thought id offended him and did not want to further offend, it did not mean i agreed with his answer i just knew what the answer would be. I hold no spirituality towards any worldly item and most certainly dont think that by the wearing of them it would bring me any closer to God or salvation, Ive seen far to many who wear items in all religions believing that that is enough to gain access to heaven to follow suit. I believe that those who practice good to others are the true ones to learn from. After listening to others I normally listen to my conscience and then act accordingly, on that occassion I didnt and thought that id offended. My thanks go to you for your sound advice though and agree entirely with you that spirituality is in the mind not in uniforms.
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Guru Piayario Jio,
Tony Ji..

THATS the right attitude. Any SIKH worthy of his salt is an INDEPENDENT THINKER..not BLIND follower. There is no place for blind faith in Gurmatt.
Guru Ji compels us to ask questions, seek answers, think objectively....AAKLEEN SAHIB SEVEAH....we must use our God given intellect to THINK.

I always stress this aspect of Gurmatt in my students - anyone - young and old can stand up in class and ask me, shoot down my "proofs"....and we all discuss and everyone is free to accept his/her own heart decides. No one is under any duress to just accept my ideas just because I am master Ji....as I said earlier WE ARE ALL SIKHS...learners and among "learners" no one is at the stage of "finished learning"...."completed learning"....SIKHI and Gurmatt are LIFE long Learning..UN-LEARNING..and RE-LEARNING.

Thanks again for the clarification. I dont reply to mails i find not worthy of my time.
Yours definitley are.
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NO where in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is it stressed ( nay not even mentioned) that EXTERNAL UNIFORM/maalas/cholas/ dastaars/tilaks/kirpans/karras etc etc ARE hallmarks of INNER SPIRITUALITY. Neither is it stated that the ABSENCE of these is a Hallmark of inner spirituality. That is why kabir has said...Making ones hair grow long...or making it shorter than short....contribute towards Inner Spirituality...Bhavehn lambeh kesh KAR..bhavehn gharrar mundaeh..the Operative word here is "KAR" meaning to MAKE LONG (through manual actions like not combing/braiding/tying up in knots..like what certain sadhus do jattan waleh sadhus) Again Kabir ji is blunt..Mann mundeah NAHIN..OH man YOU have NOT shaved your Mann of evil..BUT you have shaved your HEAD !! This means it is easier to shave the Head externally than shave the Mann of Evil..YET we have so many excitedly jumping up and saying..I SHAVE..therefore I am HOLY INSIDE !! Wheres the proof ??
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1. Guru nanak ji began the Religion..set its Basic Parametres. Guru nanak Ji wore a Dastaar and had long beard. He condemned the un-natural practises of those earlier religious followers who cut hair/became bald/shaved/made their hair LONG artificially/knots etc due to not combing etc etc...[/quote]

Dear Gyani ji I have thought long and hard, and have read many artcles on Guru Nanak ji's life but fail to find anything that states one must keep ones hair long. My understanding of what he says is that it is wrong to cut ones hair as an offering to God and believing that by doing so it will cleanse the soul, much the same as he condenmed any other ritualistic practises. and in refusing to cut his own hair was merely a way to show others that it was not needed to achieve spiritual attainment. Could it be that the Following Guru jis where following Nanaks jis example in refusing to cut there hair and that Guru Gobing Singh jis instruction to the newly founded Khalsa was a way of rebelling against the Mogul rulers of that time. Also that if your hair was cut that they would have seen it as a sign of convertion and acceptance of the Muslim faith. I value your answers and hope I do not offend you or anyone else with with my questioning.
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