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View Poll Results: If you were being forced into converting into any religion, what would you do?
Would rather die than forsake the guru's teachings! 30 75.00%
Convert to not get killed. 0 0%
Fake to convert but change back to Sikhism. 6 15.00%
Run away!!! 4 10.00%
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Old 02-01-2007, 06:21 AM
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Nobody is likely to come on to this forum and vote for any of the last three options in your poll.
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i agree freedom84 ji, we all talk about how we would give our lives instead of converting or what not, but we do not know that for sure. Actions speak a lot louder than words do. I would like to think that i would be brave enough to die for my religion, but maybe i just say that out of ego that im soo i love with my Guru that nothing could make me ever wander away from him...
We should look into ourselves and see how our relationship with our Guru is progressing, and pray that one day with HIS kirpa we will have unconditional, 100% true love for HIM so that nothing could ever take us away from HIM.
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I am afraid of replying as it may create embarrassment. I too am pakka Sikh, always ready to die for panth, but do not understand that why making eyebrows etc. are banned in Sikhism. today in this modern world, kids ask why they can not have cut hair or do fashion as all their colleagues do, either there should be separate schools for Sikh children where they should learn what is proper Sikhi. Sometimes, long hair create lot of problem in summer etc. I have a lot to say but have no words
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What is up with this whole Muslim beef? How come Muslims and Sikhs in the UK hate each other? Can someone please explain this to me?
You'll probably be able to do a google search about this.
If you have problems searching, let me know and I'll send you some links.
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Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh

i agree freedom84 ji, we all talk about how we would give our lives instead of converting or what not, but we do not know that for sure. Actions speak a lot louder than words do. I would like to think that i would be brave enough to die for my religion, but maybe i just say that out of ego that im soo i love with my Guru that nothing could make me ever wander away from him...
We should look into ourselves and see how our relationship with our Guru is progressing, and pray that one day with HIS kirpa we will have unconditional, 100% true love for HIM so that nothing could ever take us away from HIM.
I don't think giving your life for Sikhi should even be a question! If we've already given our head to the Guru, then fear should be gone anyway.
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What is up with this whole Muslim beef? How come Muslims and Sikhs in the UK hate each other? Can someone please explain this to me?
hi,

Well im a Sikh girl living in the uk and i think the main reason is really the muslims collective(or almost collective, u can also find many muslims who resepct the Sikh and other faiths) aim to convert anyone n everyone to islam. where i went to school and n my area there was a mosque that regularly preached to its congregation that this was the right thing to do and also that Sikh and hindu girls should be the prime targets as the majority of their converts are apparently women. muslims here see Sikh and hindu girls running about with no respect for religion whatsoever, drinking, clubbing and sleeping around, without shame. They have a strategy all worked out and target these weaknesses of our girls, bribing them with fake love and flattery. in the mosque in our area, me and my friends once found a leaflet stating that if any muslim boy could convert a Sikh girl, or bring her to a pizza place down the road, that they'd get a free pizza! its pretty sick and our fathers and brothers are not oblivious to these going ons trust. we had the SP crew (Shere Punjab) back in the day but these days some of them even fratenize with muslims as theyre into the same things, drugs n what not. our problem is simply that muslims are generally more educated about religion, well the younger generation is moreso defintlyyy......Because they recognise that they are their only hope for survival and world dominattion in the future- theyre playing it veryyy smart. at uni every single muslim i knew either prayed from the koran or knew a hell of alot about it cuz their parents or the mosque eductated them.. i knew about 3 Sikhs and hindus that knew about their religion. Im sorry to say but muslims kick our asses in terms of numbers in eductation and militancy.

anyways read this link i just found

its about Sikh and hindu girl conversions- read the post by A-A-A

History of the Sikhs: Why do Muslims target Sikh Girls?

and this one about muslim students converting people.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-y...irls-into.html
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i am so happy i dont live in the u.k. if i ever saw these things i hear of (i.e muslims trying to convert Sikh girls, getting free pizza for bringing a Sikh girl to a pizza place, etc) with my own two eyes, i would end up in jail. i have NO respect for ANYONE who attempts to "recruit" other people into their religion with bad/tarnished intentions.

anyways, before i get really steamed, lots of people would answer yes to the question "would you die for your religion?" whereas there are few who really have enough devotion to go through with it. thats what makes all martyrs in ALL religions so remarkable, and thats why i respect all religions. there were far too many noble men in the world to simply say one religion is better than another.
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hi,

Well im a Sikh girl living in the uk and i think the main reason is really the muslims collective(or almost collective, u can also find many muslims who resepct the Sikh and other faiths) aim to convert anyone n everyone to islam. where i went to school and n my area there was a mosque that regularly preached to its congregation that this was the right thing to do and also that Sikh and hindu girls should be the prime targets as the majority of their converts are apparently women. muslims here see Sikh and hindu girls running about with no respect for religion whatsoever, drinking, clubbing and sleeping around, without shame. They have a strategy all worked out and target these weaknesses of our girls, bribing them with fake love and flattery. in the mosque in our area, me and my friends once found a leaflet stating that if any muslim boy could convert a Sikh girl, or bring her to a pizza place down the road, that they'd get a free pizza! its pretty sick and our fathers and brothers are not oblivious to these going ons trust. we had the SP crew (Shere Punjab) back in the day but these days some of them even fratenize with muslims as theyre into the same things, drugs n what not. our problem is simply that muslims are generally more educated about religion, well the younger generation is moreso defintlyyy......Because they recognise that they are their only hope for survival and world dominattion in the future- theyre playing it veryyy smart. at uni every single muslim i knew either prayed from the koran or knew a hell of alot about it cuz their parents or the mosque eductated them.. i knew about 3 Sikhs and hindus that knew about their religion. Im sorry to say but muslims kick our asses in terms of numbers in eductation and militancy.

anyways read this link i just found

its about Sikh and hindu girl conversions- read the post by A-A-A

History of the Sikhs: Why do Muslims target Sikh Girls?

and this one about muslim students converting people.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-y...irls-into.html
WOW!

Thanks for answering my question.

Anyway, this is very sad to hear. Sikhs need to unity instead fighting over stupid issues like meat or if it is okay to have chairs and tables in the gurdwara. Hopefully all the Sikh men (or at least us monas/jatts since most keshdharis and amritdharis are bunch of cowards anyway) to stand up and defend apna community’s honor and protect our sisters from these people.
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i am so happy i dont live in the u.k. if i ever saw these things i hear of (i.e muslims trying to convert Sikh girls, getting free pizza for bringing a Sikh girl to a pizza place, etc) with my own two eyes, i would end up in jail. i have NO respect for ANYONE who attempts to "recruit" other people into their religion with bad/tarnished intentions.

anyways, before i get really steamed, lots of people would answer yes to the question "would you die for your religion?" whereas there are few who really have enough devotion to go through with it. thats what makes all martyrs in ALL religions so remarkable, and thats why i respect all religions. there were far too many noble men in the world to simply say one religion is better than another.
Same here, bro.

I will end up spending 25+ years in jail if I have end up bumping into these kinds of people. LOL
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I am afraid of replying as it may create embarrassment. I too am pakka Sikh, always ready to die for panth, but do not understand that why making eyebrows etc. are banned in Sikhism. today in this modern world, kids ask why they can not have cut hair or do fashion as all their colleagues do, either there should be separate schools for Sikh children where they should learn what is proper Sikhi. Sometimes, long hair create lot of problem in summer etc. I have a lot to say but have no words
Sorry if i hurt people on this forum
Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fateh

Humanity ji, the whole point of this forum is to talk about Sikhi, and get our questions answered so do not be afraid to ask.
Hair is hair, not only on the head but everywhere, including our eyebrows. Just because todays society says that they must be certain shape does not mean its right, our Guru Gobind Singh Ji knew what was right for us when he told us our rehit. Yes it may be " hard" in the summer time, especially for girls because they are not able to wear shorts. But its not impossible, wearing cotton pants really help as well, or you could always wear a suit hehe
But ya haha if you want a more technically reason for keeping hair id be glad to send you some links on the "science' or unshorn hair. Studying for a test right now, so once thats over id be glad to give you more info.

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I wouldn't even end up on the 25 year list...life sentence with no parole seeing what i want to do to these "missionaries"
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