Mona and Sehajdhari

J.A.T.T · #1 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 07:04 AM

I am confused about these people. Do Sikhs classify these people as Sikhs or not? What do people here think about them?
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navroopsingh · #2 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 11:59 AM

I personally believe that many people that think of themselves as Sikh, keep their hair, go to the gurdwara, and walk around with a kirpan, yet don't follow the true sikh path and do the actualy things the guru told us to do aren't even true Sikhs. A sikh is a person who has taken Amrit, vowed to follow the Gursikh path, and lived by the guru's teachings only. No one else is a true Sikh.

kds1980 · #3 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 16:22 PM

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Originally Posted by J.A.T.T

I am confused about these people. Do Sikhs classify these people as Sikhs or not? What do people here think about them?

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dear jatt

just like there are different types of muslims,hindu,s there are different types of sikhs.orthodox sikhs beleive that a person should atleast keep hair for being a sikh.while there are liberal sikhs who accept sehajdhari's as sikhs
so there are different point of view regarding mona/sehajdhari sikhs.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 17:48 PM

Muslims christians, hindus...of all religions ONLY SIKHISM is Named after the FOLLOWERS..and NOT the Founders/Prophets etc.
1. For Formality a SIKH as defined in the SRM or Code of conduct is One who beleives in the ten Gurus, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Gobind Singh jis Amrit of Khanda Batta..AND DOES NOT beleive in any other religion/prophet etc.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/14734-mona-and-sehajdhari.html
So these are stages....To begin with One MUST RELINQUISH ones beleif in any other religion...than begin to walk along the Path of Gurmatt begun by Guru nanak ji and ending with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...and after this one is expected to chhak Khandey batte dee Pahul and be initiated into the KHALSA..apex of Sikhi.

2. Important:..One who has NOT chhak Amrit/Pahul..is NOT a PATIT. A PATIT is ONE who has Chhak Pahul and then BROKE it by committing one or more of the Four Bajjar Kurehits. So any mona is not automatically a Patit. A Patit may have long hair, kirpan, etc BUT slept with someone not his wife/husband..then he/she is a PATIT..or he may have smoked Tobacco, taken drugs..or eaten Hallal meat...he/she is a PATIT inspite of having all the panj kakars !!! I have seen many "amritdharees" going around calling all monas as patits... WRONG MOVE.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14734

Gyani jarnail Singh

J.A.T.T · #5 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 23:17 PM

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Originally Posted by navroopsingh

I personally believe that many people that think of themselves as Sikh, keep their hair, go to the gurdwara, and walk around with a kirpan, yet don't follow the true sikh path and do the actualy things the guru told us to do aren't even true Sikhs. A sikh is a person who has taken Amrit, vowed to follow the Gursikh path, and lived by the guru's teachings only. No one else is a true Sikh.

The argument isn't about who is a "true" Sikh. The issue is about if Mona and Sehajdhari have the rights to call themselves as Sikhs or not. Besides, using your definition, there isn't many Sikhs in this world at all. But again, there are hardly any people in this world who follow their religion perfectly.

J.A.T.T · #6 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 23:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kds1980

dear jatt

just like there are different types of muslims,hindu,s there are different types of sikhs.orthodox sikhs beleive that a person should atleast keep hair for being a sikh.while there are liberal sikhs who accept sehajdhari's as sikhs
so there are different point of view regarding mona/sehajdhari sikhs.

Oh I see...

I guess this conflict will never be solved.

J.A.T.T · #7 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 23:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Muslims christians, hindus...of all religions ONLY SIKHISM is Named after the FOLLOWERS..and NOT the Founders/Prophets etc.
1. For Formality a SIKH as defined in the SRM or Code of conduct is One who beleives in the ten Gurus, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Gobind Singh jis Amrit of Khanda Batta..AND DOES NOT beleive in any other religion/prophet etc.
So these are stages....To begin with One MUST RELINQUISH ones beleif in any other religion...than begin to walk along the Path of Gurmatt begun by Guru nanak ji and ending with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...and after this one is expected to chhak Khandey batte dee Pahul and be initiated into the KHALSA..apex of Sikhi.

2. Important:..One who has NOT chhak Amrit/Pahul..is NOT a PATIT. A PATIT is ONE who has Chhak Pahul and then BROKE it by committing one or more of the Four Bajjar Kurehits. So any mona is not automatically a Patit. A Patit may have long hair, kirpan, etc BUT slept with someone not his wife/husband..then he/she is a PATIT..or he may have smoked Tobacco, taken drugs..or eaten Hallal meat...he/she is a PATIT inspite of having all the panj kakars !!! I have seen many "amritdharees" going around calling all monas as patits... WRONG MOVE.

Gyani jarnail Singh

Thanks for your input.

But keep in mind that not all Sikhs follow the SGPC Rehat Maryada. Every jatha have their own rehat maryada.

J.A.T.T · #8 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 23:30 PM

Oh yeah, I like to point out that I am not only asking if Mona and Sehajdhari can call themselves Sikhs spiritually, but I am also asking if they can call themselves Sikhs politically and socially as well.

kds1980 · #9 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2006, 23:49 PM

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Originally Posted by J.A.T.T

Oh yeah, I like to point out that I am not only asking if Mona and Sehajdhari can call themselves Sikhs spiritually, but I am also asking if they can call themselves Sikhs politically and socially as well.

politically and socially there is no restriction on mona/sehajdhari's being called as sikhs.