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Good effort Akashdeep singh. i think i want to state one quote regarding Shri Guru HArgobind Singh ji (1606-1644) . He fought 4 different battles against moghul emperor Shahjahan who ruled india from 1628 until 1658.and not Aurangzeb who was succeeded by aurangzeb who ruled india was ruler in period from 1658 until 1707.Shri Guru Gobind Singh & Banda Bahadur fought aurangzeb's atrocities.
Khalsa ji,

The article below also says the same.
"Guru Hargobind Sahib was imprisoned in the form of prisoner of war in the prison of Gwalior for long time. He also fought 4 wars at different times."

Actually the error is in the following line to this line which is,
"Guru Hargobind ji were martyred fighting for the sake of self-respect, dignity and freedom of religion by Aurangzeb in Delhi."

The correct line should be:-
"Guru Tegh Bahadar Sahib were martyred fighting for the sake of self-respect, dignity and freedom of religion by Aurangzeb in Delhi."

This is my mistake, original article has this right. Yours truly typed wrong while translating. Please accept my apologies for this mistake.

Thanks you very-very much for attention to detail. I am obliged and impressed with the concentration you have read this article. I hope to see this attention on other articles as well.

Waheguru sanu sareyaan nu tuhadey wargi parkhya karan di takat bakshey!

Sat Shri Akaal,
-Akashdeep
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No, the sikhs were truly 'waffadar' to their 'namak'.
Also, it was payback against the soldiers who had thwarted the sikhs under Ranjit Singh. India's attitude towards sikhs has always been pathetic, ungrateful and jealous. After all, who else has raised a hand against the invaders and actually won? That is the point, and the historical debt India owes to the sikhs, but has never paid, is why there remains so much ambivalent antipathy towards the sikhs. We remain one of India's pillars in defense, less every day and hour but it would be hard to overstate our contribution.
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No, the sikhs were truly 'waffadar' to their 'namak'.
Also, it was payback against the soldiers who had thwarted the sikhs under Ranjit Singh. India's attitude towards sikhs has always been pathetic, ungrateful and jealous. After all, who else has raised a hand against the invaders and actually won? That is the point, and the historical debt India owes to the sikhs, but has never paid, is why there remains so much ambivalent antipathy towards the sikhs. We remain one of India's pillars in defense, less every day and hour but it would be hard to overstate our contribution.
Dear Friend,

Thanks for your comments. You will also be surprised to know that Sikh related history and heroic events are not represented very well in all the course work in India. In India, even the Sikhs are growing up in ignorance about the history and true facts related to their faith. I myself have grown up studying the same curriculum in India. Now, when I research on Sikh history and other related facts I get shocked on the apathy of authorities in India on inclusion of Sikh related history in curriculum. People know very well about Akbar but do not know about Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. I have seen prestigious history books portraying Akbar as the lover of all religions etc. etc. and then get shocked that nothing (or just couple of lines) is mentioned about Maharaja Ranjeet Singh whose kingdom is the best (perhaps the only) example of Democracy in a Monarchy

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Thank you. But what do you expect? The pakistanis do not exactly say, "Hey, we are all actually converted Hindus and Buddhists, let us be charistable towards our ***** cousins"; no they despise us.

Similarly, most educated indians know full well wiithout sikhs, almost all of northern India would be bowing to Mecca. Also, while the Marathas, Rajputs and Jats could go into the Khyber and bring back the doors of temple of Somnath, we did. I think this makes people, in an odd way, not like Sikh history because it sheds light on their own failures.

As for Ranjit Singh, forget about Democracy man! How about finally giving some Pathans and Afghans an *** wipping!? The list goes on, as many of you know. Hari Singh Nalwa, Phula Singh Akali, Jassa Singh, Etc, etc....what men! Very few died peacefully, choosing instead to die as their soldiers did on the battlefield.

Anyway, it is not as if it takes anyone a lot of effort to find out more. Khuswant Singh's "History of the Sikhs" is a great place to start.
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Here is a quote from Winston Churchill in 1906 regarding Sikh forces in Africa during British Colonial times:

"Guardian over all stands the Sikh, who being immune to local influence of all kinds constitues the "motor muscle" of Imperial Authority as he stands erect beside his rifle on guard over British Interests 6,000 miles from the Punjab. He is a picked volunteer from all the Sikh Regiments. If at any time considerations of expense or desire to obtain complete homogeneity in the military forces of the Protectorate should lead to the disbandment of these companies, those who take the decision will have incurred a responsibility which few would care to share with them."
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Below is a poem written by General Sir James Willcocks, written for his Indian soldiers after WWI. I hope some will enjoy it.


HURNAM SINGH

By General Sir James Willcocks



Beneath an ancient pipal-tree, fast by the Jhelum’s tide,
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In silent thought sat Hurnam-Singh,
A Khalsa soldier of the King:
He mused on things now done and past,
For he had reached his home at last,
His empty sleeve his pride.


Five years before a village lout, beneath the self-same tree,
He met the Havildar, who’d come
With honeyed words and beat of drum,
Cajoling all who glory sought,
And telling how the regiment fought
The Zakha and the Mohmand clans,
With shouts of victory.


Wah Guru Ji ! rang in his ears, the famous battle cry,
And since those days Hurnam had seen,
On Flanders plains, from fierce Messines,
To Festubert and Neuve Chapelle,
Mid festering bogs and scenes of hell,
How Khalsa soldiers die.


The village yokels round him flocked to hearken to his tales,
How he had crossed the Kala sea,
From India’s strand past Araby,
Thro’ Egypt’s sands to Europe’s shores,
Where the wild stormy mistral roars,
And anchor’d in Marseilles.


“Is it the truth,” said one more bold than village yokels be,
“That men with wings ascend on high
And fight with Gods in yonder sky?
That iron monsters belching wrath,
Beneath their wheels of Jurggernaut,
Claim victims for Kali?”


“Now list all ye,” said Hurnam-Singh, “the aged and the youth,
The tales they told in bygone days,
Of Gods and Ghouls in ancient lays,
Are true, not false; mine eyes descried,
Mine ears have heard as heroes died,
The Mahabharut’s truth.


“The land of France is wide and fair, the people brave and free,
I fain would tell, but orders came,
“Push on, the foe awaits the game”-
The game of death; the Khalsa cry,
The warriors’ slogan, rent the sky,
Fateh Wah Guru Ji!


“The Sahibs’ face told their tale; no craven thought or sloth
In those brave hearts, as we had learned
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When Gujerat the tide had turned,
And left the names of Aliwal
And Chillianwala as a pall
Of glory to us both.


“And thus the sons of Hindustan, from Himalaya to Scinde,
From Hindu Kush to Deccan plains,
Rent in a day the ancient chains,
Which isolated class from clan,
And joined in battle as one man,
To die for Mata Hind.


“ Hur Mahadeao! Guru Ji! And Allah’s sacred name,
Shri Gunga Jai! from brave Nepal,
Re-echoed loud through wild Garhwal;
From Dogra vale, Afride clan,
To the proud homes of Rajistan,
Was lit the martial flame.

“As pitiless the bullets rained,`mid angry storm and flood,
Khudadad Khan! immortal name,
Stood by his gun, for India’s fame
Was in his hands; the Huns advance,
Recoil; Retire; the soil of France
Is richer with his blood.”
And Hurnam paused as he recalled, one dark November morn,
When twice three thousand foes had rushed
Our trenches, powdered into dust,
And bayonet point and Kukry blade
Avenging retribution made,
Before the break of dawn.


“Garhwal will tell”, he said, “with pride her children oft recite,
How Durwan Negi, lion-heart!
Was first and foremost from the start;
He led the charge which won the day,--
Oh, brothers, `twas a glorious fray,
For victory came with light.”


Shabash! Shabash! From every tongue, and mothers’ hearts stood
Still,
As sons stepped forth and made demand,
They too should join the glorious band,
They too should hear the battle’s din,
Or purge the soul of every sin,
If such were Ishwar’s will.


Hurnam went on: “At Neuve Chapelle, at Festubert, we bled,
On Wipers field, at Moulin Pietre,
We heard the German hymn of hate;
Above our lines the war ships soared,
Our trenches rocked while cannon roared
The requiem of the dead.”



The Jhelum’s banks had witnessed oft her waters stained with
gore,
Had heard the tramp of countless feet,
Had known both triumph and defeat,
But never had her waters swirled
A prouder message to the world,
Then Hurnam’s story bore.






For India’s sons had sealed their oath, according to their laws;
Sealed it with blood across the sea,
From Flanders to Gallipoli,
On Tigris’ banks, on Egypt’s sands,
`Mid Afric’s swamps and hinterlands,
And died in England’s cause.


For ages long the Mullah’s cry, the temple bells shall wile,
And call to prayer for those who died,
The father, mother, son, and bride,
Descendants of the loyal brave
Who rest in warriors’ simple grave,
And need no marble pile.


(This was also published in Blackwood’s magazine in December, 1917.)
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Below is a poem written by General Sir James Willcocks, written for his Indian soldiers after WWI. I hope some will enjoy it.


HURNAM SINGH

By General Sir James Willcocks



Beneath an ancient pipal-tree, fast by the Jhelum’s tide,
In silent thought sat Hurnam-Singh,
A Khalsa soldier of the King:
He mused on things now done and past,
For he had reached his home at last,
His empty sleeve his pride.


Five years before a village lout, beneath the self-same tree,
He met the Havildar, who’d come
With honeyed words and beat of drum,
Cajoling all who glory sought,
And telling how the regiment fought
The Zakha and the Mohmand clans,
With shouts of victory.


Wah Guru Ji ! rang in his ears, the famous battle cry,
And since those days Hurnam had seen,
On Flanders plains, from fierce Messines,
To Festubert and Neuve Chapelle,
Mid festering bogs and scenes of hell,
How Khalsa soldiers die.


The village yokels round him flocked to hearken to his tales,
How he had crossed the Kala sea,
From India’s strand past Araby,
Thro’ Egypt’s sands to Europe’s shores,
Where the wild stormy mistral roars,
And anchor’d in Marseilles.


“Is it the truth,” said one more bold than village yokels be,
“That men with wings ascend on high
And fight with Gods in yonder sky?
That iron monsters belching wrath,
Beneath their wheels of Jurggernaut,
Claim victims for Kali?”


“Now list all ye,” said Hurnam-Singh, “the aged and the youth,
The tales they told in bygone days,
Of Gods and Ghouls in ancient lays,
Are true, not false; mine eyes descried,
Mine ears have heard as heroes died,
The Mahabharut’s truth.


“The land of France is wide and fair, the people brave and free,
I fain would tell, but orders came,
“Push on, the foe awaits the game”-
The game of death; the Khalsa cry,
The warriors’ slogan, rent the sky,
Fateh Wah Guru Ji!


“The Sahibs’ face told their tale; no craven thought or sloth
In those brave hearts, as we had learned
When Gujerat the tide had turned,
And left the names of Aliwal
And Chillianwala as a pall
Of glory to us both.


“And thus the sons of Hindustan, from Himalaya to Scinde,
From Hindu Kush to Deccan plains,
Rent in a day the ancient chains,
Which isolated class from clan,
And joined in battle as one man,
To die for Mata Hind.


“ Hur Mahadeao! Guru Ji! And Allah’s sacred name,
Shri Gunga Jai! from brave Nepal,
Re-echoed loud through wild Garhwal;
From Dogra vale, Afride clan,
To the proud homes of Rajistan,
Was lit the martial flame.

“As pitiless the bullets rained,`mid angry storm and flood,
Khudadad Khan! immortal name,
Stood by his gun, for India’s fame
Was in his hands; the Huns advance,
Recoil; Retire; the soil of France
Is richer with his blood.”
And Hurnam paused as he recalled, one dark November morn,
When twice three thousand foes had rushed
Our trenches, powdered into dust,
And bayonet point and Kukry blade
Avenging retribution made,
Before the break of dawn.


“Garhwal will tell”, he said, “with pride her children oft recite,
How Durwan Negi, lion-heart!
Was first and foremost from the start;
He led the charge which won the day,--
Oh, brothers, `twas a glorious fray,
For victory came with light.”


Shabash! Shabash! From every tongue, and mothers’ hearts stood
Still,
As sons stepped forth and made demand,
They too should join the glorious band,
They too should hear the battle’s din,
Or purge the soul of every sin,
If such were Ishwar’s will.


Hurnam went on: “At Neuve Chapelle, at Festubert, we bled,
On Wipers field, at Moulin Pietre,
We heard the German hymn of hate;
Above our lines the war ships soared,
Our trenches rocked while cannon roared
The requiem of the dead.”



The Jhelum’s banks had witnessed oft her waters stained with
gore,
Had heard the tramp of countless feet,
Had known both triumph and defeat,
But never had her waters swirled
A prouder message to the world,
Then Hurnam’s story bore.






For India’s sons had sealed their oath, according to their laws;
Sealed it with blood across the sea,
From Flanders to Gallipoli,
On Tigris’ banks, on Egypt’s sands,
`Mid Afric’s swamps and hinterlands,
And died in England’s cause.


For ages long the Mullah’s cry, the temple bells shall wile,
And call to prayer for those who died,
The father, mother, son, and bride,
Descendants of the loyal brave
Who rest in warriors’ simple grave,
And need no marble pile.


(This was also published in Blackwood’s magazine in December, 1917.)
Khalsa ji,

Thanks for sharing this historical fact with us.

-Akashdeep Singh
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On manybooks.net also there is a book called

Hira Singh - When India Came To Fight In Flanders
byTalbot Mundy

Its an intersting true tale about a sikh army regiment..
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Funny you bring it up. There is next to nothing written in India or available out there about Hira Singh. The New York times did report that 100 indian soldier, pretending to be muslims, marched from Turkey to India in WWI. I have tried to research more, but it is difficult. And if so, why was not more written about it at the time?
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