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There is so much power in simran and meditation that when one practices an automatic attachment to the keeping of hair is attained along with many other strengths and qualities.
I agree and understand that it is the power of the 5 thieves that are the root in someone parting with their khes. Thus, they forget the true meaning of khes as a result of this.
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Prabh Ka simran sabh te Ucha.........
TRUTH is HIGH...BUT HIGHER STILL IS TRUTHFUL LIVING...........stress on LIVING..LIFE...our DAILY LIVES..what we do daily..GURBANI is JEEVAN JAACH..the WAY to TRUTHFUL LIVING...PRACTICAL LIFE...

He is TRUTH...SATNAAM........and we all know how very very very extremely difficult it is to be TRUTH..24/7.. 365 days...for 80++ YEARS... Just watch the extremely funny film LIAR LIAR....and IF that stage is so HIGH...what about TRUTHFUL LIVING ???
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IF ALL Sikhs practiced THAT....no sikh would be a lawyer..or need a lawyer...the WORD would be written in stainless steel........BUT is IT for real ?? Just about every sikh i know..needs Lawyers because...???? life without LIES/LAWYERS is impossible...ha ha SIKHS go to Court and LIE...and pay lawyers to LIE..ha ha and DENY written Agreements..( forget about WORD given orally...ha ha )
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BOTTOM LINE" TRUTHFUL LIVING is a 24/7 COMMITMENTjapposatnamwaheguru:.
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KanwalJi,I hope I am not too far off base when I suggest that the Deity is never displeased. At least that is how I read "nirbau, nirvair."
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The birth as a human being is very difficult, before taking birth as a human one has to take birth in 84 lakhs ‘yonis’ according to one’s deeds
This is not a given, there are some of us that believe otherwise

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If someone percives birth as human being he/she has to find a good teacher (guru) to attain eternal happiness and peace in his/her own life. It requires MUCH LABOUR to find a 'poora guru' (complete and perfect teacher), who helps in one’s journey of mind and conduct to attain eternal happiness and peace
It does not require much labour at all, the complete and perfect teacher is there for all of us in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

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We could have achieved more benefits from 'poora guru' and can proceed further, but not to WASTE our past hard labour of good deeds BY GOING AGAINST THE SIKH PRINCIPLES.
Sometimes I wonder whether Sikhism is a competition with the prize being enlightenment, rather than just a code of living

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HAIRS ON THE HUMAN BODY IS BY NATURE, AND GOING AGAINST THIS NATURE COULD ATTRACT HIS DISPLEAURE FOR A SIKH.
At the risk of offence, I think 'it' describes Creator better than 'his', We are not Christians, God did not make us in his image, Creator is formless, and I think Creator is beyond the very human feeling of displeasure, as Bhainji said above.

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The God in his Will and wisdom has created the complete human being. To interfere with the God given body by circumcision, puffing a hole in the ear or nose and cutting or dyeing the hair are prohibited and treated as disobedience to God’s Will. A God fearing person can never prefer his will and wish to prevail over the God’s Will and can never make any alterations in the God gifted boon, which could attract His displeasure.
I do not fear God, I fear having no connection to Creator. The Abrahamic religions rule through fear, Sikhism is more about love, love for Creation, for Creator, any fear comes from not having that love, from being alone.

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The 'bea-adabi of ‘keshas' is the 'ghor apmaan of our great gurus'. The punishment of such type of deed is written in gurbani as


'sant kea dukhan trigad jon kirmaye' (Sukhmani Sahib)-5th Guru Nanak, Ang 279 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Sikh who cuts his hairs is called ‘patit sikh’. The 'patit sikh' even CAN NOT get birth as human being, but will get birth in the bad and lowest 'yonis'.
Moving swiftly on to Vedicism, again more fear based rhetoric, this is the only life we get in my view, and I was not aware Creator punished.

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So, it is fundamental rule for Sikhs not to cut their hairs.
Today’s science is also saying that hairs are beneficial to human.

We (Sikhs) all are the sons and daughters of Great Guru Gobind Singh ji, we should accept the sikh traditions with courage and happiness as the children of lion and not to cut our hairs.
I disagree, I think it is a fundamental rule that Sikhs realise naam and through that realisation have no wish to cut hair and are happy with that concept. You seem to be jumping the gun, this is no more good advice than a corporal who wishes to become a General, merely thinking he can do so by donning a Generals uniform

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Not to loose the True Guru’s Grace

The birth as a human being is very difficult, before taking birth as a human one has to take birth in 84 lakhs ‘yonis’ according to one’s deeds. If someone percives birth as human being he/she has to find a good teacher (guru) to attain eternal happiness and peace in his/her own life. It requires MUCH LABOUR to find a 'poora guru' (complete and perfect teacher), who helps in one’s journey of mind and conduct to attain eternal happiness and peace. In other words , IT IS VERY DIIFFICULT TO GET BIRTH AS A HUMAN BEING AND IT IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO GET BIRTH IN A SIKH FAMILY OR ANYHOW NEARNESS TO ‘POORA GURU’. As we (Sikh) got the nearness of ‘poora guru' (complete and perfect teacher) by our past good deeds, as baani says
'purab likhat likhe gur paeiya' -4th Guru Nanak, Ang 13 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

'Bhag hova gur sant milaya,
prabh abinasi ghar mean payiya' -5th Guru Nanak, Ang 97 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

We could have achieved more benefits from 'poora guru' and can proceed further, but not to WASTE our past hard labour of good deeds BY GOING AGAINST THE SIKH PRINCIPLES.

It is easy to become a Doctor, an Engineer, a Pilot or any other good professionalist but it is very difficult to earn 'Dharma' by making good deeds in our life. So, one should not waste this type of labour by going against the sikh traditions.

The importance of ‘poora guru' is very great, as baani says

'poorea gur ka sun updesh,
parbrahm nikat kar pekh' (Sukhmani Sahib)-5th Guru Nanak, Ang 295 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Our great Guru directly connects us to the God Almighty and God is in His nature, as even 1st GURU NANAK’s baani says

‘balihari kudrat vasiya, tera ant na jayi lakhiya’-Guru Nanak, Ang 463 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Japji Sahib’s 1st pauri says ‘Hukam rajai chalana Nanak likhiya naal’ ,as we have to follow His DIVINE WILL and respect the NATURE. -Guru Nanak, Ang 01 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
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HAIRS ON THE HUMAN BODY IS BY NATURE, AND GOING AGAINST THIS NATURE COULD ATTRACT HIS DISPLEAURE FOR A SIKH.
The God in his Will and wisdom has created the complete human being. To interfere with the God given body by circumcision, puffing a hole in the ear or nose and cutting or dyeing the hair are prohibited and treated as disobedience to God’s Will. A God fearing person can never prefer his will and wish to prevail over the God’s Will and can never make any alterations in the God gifted boon, which could attract His displeasure.

Guru Nanak Sahib gives the highest place to ‘Nimarta’ (‘hirdey di garibi’) and saying that
‘Naam beej santokh suhaga rakh garibi veas’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 565 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

When a person becomes very humble (having ‘Nimarta’) he becomes prideless and he obeys God’s divine order or His will very happily.
‘Kudrat kare jhano, jot is bhave nanaka hukam soi parvano -Guru Nanak, Ang 25 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

‘Nanak hukme je bujhe ta huame kahe na koe’ -Guru Nanak(Japji Sahib), Ang 1 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

According to the principles of Guru Nanak in Sri Guru Granth Sahib it is also written like that
‘Sabat surat dastaar sira’ -5th Guru Nanak, Ang 1084 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

‘Kar kirpa Apna daras dije jas gavao nis ar bhor,
Kes sang das pag jharao ehoo manorath mor’ -5th Guru Nanak, Ang 500 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

One who loves God, who equally loves His creatures. Guru sahib praises the symbols of ‘sargun sarup’ of Akalpurakh (God) in human being, then says like that

‘Tere banke loen dant risaala, sohne nak jin lamde wala’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 567 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji


In whole of Sri Guru Granth Sahibji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) on almost every Ang (page) there is written about
(i) ‘Kudrat’ (Nature)
(ii) ‘Bhana’ (will of GOD)
(iii) ‘Hukam’ (divine order)
(iv) ‘Nimarta’ (humble and politeness) or prideless
All of the above qualities very clearly implies that every sikh must be keshadhari.
All the sikh gurus respected the nature and were ‘keshadhari’ and so were their Sikhs. GURU GOBIND SINGHJI MADE THE ‘REHAT’ FROM GURU NANAK’S PRINCIPLES.

The 'bea-adabi of ‘keshas' is the 'ghor apmaan of our great gurus'. The punishment of such type of deed is written in gurbani as


'sant kea dukhan trigad jon kirmaye' (Sukhmani Sahib)-5th Guru Nanak, Ang 279 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Sikh who cuts his hairs is called ‘patit sikh’. The 'patit sikh' even CAN NOT get birth as human being, but will get birth in the bad and lowest 'yonis'.

Many things does not change, God (nature) has grown hairs on the human body and still human babies beings born with hairs on their body and when they grown up, more hairs are grown on their body as beard and moustache. Our sikh gurus tried to directly connect us to the God and His nature.
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‘Pooja Akal ki’ -Guru Gobind Singh
‘Khalsa Akal Purukh ki fauj’ -Guru Gobind Singh
‘balihari kudrat vasiya,
tera ant na jayi lakhiya’-Guru Nanak, Ang 463 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ‘duyi kudrat saajiea kar aasan ditho chaoo’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 463 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
‘sachchi teri kudrat sachhea paatshah’ -Guru Nanak, Ang 463 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

So, it is fundamental rule for Sikhs not to cut their hairs.
Today’s science is also saying that hairs are beneficial to human.

We (Sikhs) all are the sons and daughters of Great Guru Gobind Singh ji, we should accept the sikh traditions with courage and happiness as the children of lion and not to cut our hairs.

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Kanwaljsji,

Do you have anything original to say rather than the the above which was copied from http://www.topix.com/forum/blogs/TPH9445VA3O25UH78/p76
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and has now been posted on this forum on several threads?

Although its quite entertaining to see the same post again and again, you may wish to consider some original content of your own
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Kanwaljsji,

Do you have anything original to say rather than the the above which was copied from http://www.topix.com/forum/blogs/TPH9445VA3O25UH78/p76

and has now been posted on this forum on several threads?

Although its quite entertaining to see the same post again and again, you may wish to consider some original content of your own
Satnaam Ji,

This is the first time i have read the information by Kanwaljsji,
Sometimes valuable information and insight gets lost in old forums, extremely long forums, so please Kanwaljsji please keep posting if you feel the truth will get to NEW forum users or users who pass by from time to time.

We hear various paats over and over in the gurdwara, but even if one may have heard it so often that they can recite it themselves, we never say we want new material do we? because the next soul to walk through the doors may be in need of that shabad.
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Chazji,

Just so I can understand your logic, your suggesting Kanwaljsji carries on posting the same identical post on different topics without any new information or amendment?

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Should we all then post our thoughts 10 or 20 times on various topics, just so that we can ensure no one misses them?

Also there is the topic of plagiarism, google some of the text and it is patently obvious that Kanwaljsji did not write this, yet has not made any reference to the original author, which I believe is in violation of SPN TOS

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14. Plagiarism is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. If you copy posts from others and pass them as if they're yours, you will be severely punished.

Many thanks for a first class example of how you think you may be encouraging 'goodness' when in fact you are assisting in violation of the terms of this site

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Chazji,

Just so I can understand your logic, your suggesting Kanwaljsji carries on posting the same identical post on different topics without any new information or amendment?

Should we all then post our thoughts 10 or 20 times on various topics, just so that we can ensure no one misses them?

Also there is the topic of plagiarism, google some of the text and it is patently obvious that Kanwaljsji did not write this, yet has not made any reference to the original author, which I believe is in violation of SPN TOS

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14. Plagiarism is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. If you copy posts from others and pass them as if they're yours, you will be severely punished.

Many thanks for a first class example of how you think you may be encouraging 'goodness' when in fact you are assisting in violation of the terms of this site

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My point is only that information gets lost in posts, and users do not vist all threads and read through every reply posted on them. A new user, or someone that has just visited this thread, for them it may be 'New' information, some 'new' insight. So we shouldnt dis-courage him posting the information, especially if it contains some 'Truth' in it.

Yes, i agree that sometimes, coming across the same 'copy' and 'pasted' information over and over is tedious, but we don't all need to read it over and over a quick click on the scroll down button, and we're to the next post. Meanwhile someone that hasnt read the post may find it useful.

Kanwalji, please try to put reference on your emails for the rules of this forum.
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