Wahegurus Hukam - What is it?

CaramelChocolate · #1 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2005, 01:01 AM

This kinda relates to my thread "Euthyphros Dilemma", which no-one repsonded to... the topic on discusion there provoked a question in my mind in terms of Sikhism, the definition of God's will.
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Is God's will everything and anything that happens? [i.e. murder]

OR

Is God's will the good things that happen? [i.e. somone taking amrit]
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Jogindar Singh Kaur · #2 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramelChocolate

This kinda relates to my thread "Euthyphros Dilemma", which no-one repsonded to...

AHEM!

CaramelChocolate · #3 (**permalink**) 11-Jul-2005, 17:56 PM

Oops, sorry...

Jogindar Singh Kaur · #4 (**permalink**) 12-Jul-2005, 05:06 AM

SSA!

Heh, no big deal, CC.

I'll leave out the long explanation, the short one is this, at least for now given my limited understanding: Hukam is unknowable, and includes everything, good and bad. There is a possibility in quantum physics that there are infinite paths branching off at every moment, so, techinically speaking, all possibilities are possible. I like to think that Hukam is like that, the Guru chooses to make everything in the future possible, perhaps S/He oversees them all in His/Her perfection, perhaps Guruji has a hand in which possibilities happen, perhaps S/He lets chaos do the picking for all of us. It is unknown.

Arvind · #5 (**permalink**) 12-Jul-2005, 23:39 PM

Guru's Hukam is everything happening around and within.

CaramelChocolate · #6 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2005, 01:45 AM

So if someone cuts their hair, is it Wahegurus hukam?

Arvind · #7 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2005, 03:22 AM

CC Veer,

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What you said is true.

Regards.

Sher Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2005, 07:30 AM

WJKK WJKF

i think God's hukam is this. Everything happens as God commands. But Karma also has something to do with it. God commands what happens. But initially if the person was good in their past life then good should happen in this life, if bad then bad should happen. But i think this quote is very interesting "God helps those who helps themselves" Thus, if you help yourself to a good way of life, God will help you. Also, i think that God tests us as well. To see our faith. Just like when Guru Arjan Dev Ji was being tortured, Guru Ji told Mian Mir "I have been telling my Sikhs, Remember Him in weal and woe, in pleasure and in pain. Accept as sweet and pleasant even His most bitter and painful Will. Regard all pleasure and pain, all joys and sorrows, as His sweet gifts" If i have said something wrong, please forgive me
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WJKK WJKF

Kamal_Chauhan · #9 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2005, 16:55 PM

Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru ji ki Fateh,

Look veer ji, Waheguru has given us freedom and due to this freedom we can do whatever we want i.e. follow our own minds. Now it depends on you whether you want to do good karma or bad karma (Some time we dont realise that we are doing bad karmas) which includes not remebering the creater who has created us (i think).

Also it is because of your karma you get punished or blessesed in this life or the next. Below are one of the Pauri from Jap ji Sahib:

jy jug cwry Awrjw hor dsUxI hoie ]