Meaning of this Shabad Please Ang 388

Astroboy · #37 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

The word Hari.Hari" has been used by every Guru and Every Bhgat and even by Bhats in their contribution of Banee.
In the very first Raagu M 1 we can see this word as
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਹੁ ਪਿਆਰਿਆ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਲੇ ਹਰਿ ਬੋਲਿ ॥ ਮਨੁ ਸਚ ਕਸਵਟੀ ਲਾਈਐ ਤੁਲੀਐ ਪੂਰੈ ਤੋਲਿ ॥ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਰਿਦ ਮਾਣਕ ਮੋਲਿ ਅਮੋਲਿ ॥੧॥ ਭਾਈ ਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਹੀਰਾ ਗੁਰ ਮਾਹਿ ॥ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਸਤਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਸਲਾਹਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

It is true that this word "Hari.Hari" is profusely used by 4th Nanak.

We should look for a reasonable reason for this. isnt that necessary?

Unless we are able to understand that NAME is not NAAMu.It is rather impossible to realise the significance of this Unique pair of word "Hari.Hari"

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash Ji,

Let me then start the ball rolling by asking for the meaning of Har Har Simrou Sant Gopala: Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Page 617 Line 13
It seems that Har Har is not used for rhyming the shabads as clearly seen in this particular verse. So its uniqueness has to have a deeper meaning or purpose. What could that be?

prakash.s.bagga · #38 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Astroboy

Prakash Ji,

Let me then start the ball rolling by asking for the meaning of Har Har Simrou Sant Gopala: Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Page 617 Line 13
It seems that Har Har is not used for rhyming the shabads as clearly seen in this particular verse. So its uniqueness has to have a deeper meaning or purpose. What could that be?

I think you can understand this from a Quote as
"HARi.HARi Tera Naamu Hai Dukh Metanhara"......Raagu Tilung.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Astroboy · #39 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 13:48 PM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

I think you can understand this from a Quote as
"HARi.HARi Tera Naamu Hai Dukh Metanhara"......Raagu Tilung.

Prakash.S.Bagga

So how does this apply to your earlier mention that Name is not Naamu? Could it be that Har Har is more than a word whose origin is embossed into a metaphysical nature? And that Har Har is the outer symbolic word of deeper spiritual origin? If you believe it to be so, then maybe you could have the experience like....GOONGE KI MITHIYAI.....

prakash.s.bagga · #40 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 14:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Astroboy

So how does this apply to your earlier mention that Name is not Naamu? Could it be that Har Har is more than a word whose origin is embossed into a metaphysical nature? And that Har Har is the outer symbolic word of deeper spiritual origin? If you believe it to be so, then maybe you could have the experience like....GOONGE KI MITHIYAI.....

You are very close to my understanding.
From Gurbanee I understand that the word <Hari.Hari> is the only word which is NAME as well as NAAMu.
So it is important to understand the difference between Name and Naamu.
Naamu is different from Name
One may surprise How this word <Hari.HARi> is NAME as well as Naamu.
why not other words .This can be known only by getting the understanding as in what way NAMe is different from Naamu.

Prakash.s.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #41 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 14:28 PM

ASTROBOY Ji,
From Gurbanee we can at least know what the MITHAEE is ? Certainly no one can tell the TASTE of this MITHAEE.that is for idividual to experience and smile like GOONGA smiles after consuming the MITHAEE.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/38444-meaning-of-this-shabad-ang-388-a.html
But we always seem to be trying for the TASTE rather than to know the MITHAEE
that is why we keep moving in circles of different understandings.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38444

Prakash.s.Bagga

Astroboy · #42 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 18:07 PM

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But we always seem to be trying for the TASTE rather than to know the MITHAEE
that is why we keep moving in circles of different understandings.

Prakash.s.Bagga

Could you provide an analogy on your above statement because I don't quite understand.

passingby · #43 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 19:24 PM

Prakash ji,

Please explain your point already, ...please! I have been reading your posts and expecting that soon you will explain the points you are referring to, such difference between Naamu and Name.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38444
I request you to please don't make the readers go guessing, and waiting. It would be so great if you explain the point on hand in one plain, expository post.

prakash.s.bagga · #44 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 19:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Astroboy

Could you provide an analogy on your above statement because I don't quite understand.

My point is related to what GuRu ji is telling us to search. We are not recognising that.
Prakash.s.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #45 (**permalink**) 08-May-2012, 19:35 PM

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Originally Posted by passingby

Prakash ji,

Please explain your point already, ...please! I have been reading your posts and expecting that soon you will explain the points you are referring to, such difference between Naamu and Name.
I request you to please don't make the readers go guessing, and waiting. It would be so great if you explain the point on hand in one plain, expository post.

I appreciate your concern .In fact this difference is fundamentallly related with the grammar of Gurbanee words.
I have always been posing the three forms of words as GuRoo-GuRu and GuR.
You should sincerely try to understand the Basic grammar of these three words .This also is posted in detail in the Gurbanee Grammar thread and even in several other threads.
Once you understand this you are definitely going to get the difference between NAME and NAAMu.
As a hint you should understand that NAME is always Singular and Single Number whereas NAAMu is also SINGULAR but for a pair of two NOUN words.
Prakash.S.Bagga