Meaning of this Shabad Please Ang 388

harry haller · #28 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 15:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

Naam is such a huge and wide suggestion or word that is not easy to define in a few sentences. It is itself a HUGE concept.
Just as the Guru Granth Sahib Ji starts with 'ek onkaar' and then goes on to explain this, so to say. We can't go on to explain in simple words what 'naam' is.
I think it's about understanding 'naam' rather than trying to know or define it.

one could even say it is about experiencing Naam, living Naam, the ultimate in consonance and connection

prakash.s.bagga · #29 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 17:46 PM

It is astonishing to see that persons can understand,experience and live in consonance with something unkown.Such persons are really great and blessed.
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Prakash.s.bagga

Archived_member15 · #30 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 19:22 PM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

It is astonishing to see that persons can understand,experience and live in consonance with something unkown.Such persons are really great and blessed.

Prakash.s.bagga

"...I was left there so absorbed,
so entranced, and so removed,
that my senses were abroad,
robbed of all sensation proved,
and my spirit then was moved
with an unknown knowing,
all knowledge there transcending..."

- Saint John of the Cross (1542 – 1591),
Verses on the Ecstasy of Deep Contemplation,
Catholic mystic and Doctor of the Church

For me this is the best description of what you describe as, "understand,experience and live in consonance with something unkown". All of the saints and mystics of the world religions have experienced this but there is something about Saint John of the Cross' articulation of it that makes it so very meaningful to me.

Ambarsaria · #31 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 22:02 PM

Prakash.S.Bagga ji thanks for your post but one comment.

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

It is astonishing to see that persons can understand,experience and live in consonance with something unkown.Such persons are really great and blessed. Prakash.s.bagga

Guru ji and all in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji repeatedly tell us in the simplest and most straightforward way that one creator is infinite. The virtues and attributes are infinite. So don't set an objective to either want to know all or try to know all or try to describe all. You can always live in consonance with what you know at any point in time. The objective set in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is to try to recognize more (not all), and thus continuously live better and in better understanding of the creator and better consonance with creation.

If one gets nothing else from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, that is the message and understanding to take away.

I hope this simple message you have absorbed. I hope knowing and understanding all is not your thrust and that is not why you keep showing astonishment like in the post above.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #32 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 22:57 PM

AMBARSARIA Ji,
You have totally miscontrued my message.
I am greatly impressed by the wordings of the message of Mr VOUTHON as

"My spirit then was moved with an unknown knowing,"

This very cleary tells that ...Having known the unknown ...my spirit then was moved.
Obviously Knowing is forst and prime condition for understanding,experiencing and being in consonance with the known.
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My understanding goes like as given.I think My VOUTHON would be able to throw some more light in such understanding.
Prakash.s.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #33 (**permalink**) 05-May-2012, 23:48 PM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

AMBARSARIA Ji,
You have totally miscontrued my message.
I am greatly impressed by the wordings of the message of Mr VOUTHON as

"My spirit then was moved with an unknown knowing,"

This very cleary tells that ...Having known the unknown ...my spirit then was moved.
Obviously Knowing is forst and prime condition for understanding,experiencing and being in consonance with the known.
My understanding goes like as given.I think My VOUTHON would be able to throw some more light in such understanding.
Prakash.s.Bagga

Prakash.S.Bagga ji my message is quite generic. Sorry it happens to come out as reference to what you wrote.

It referes to the pursuit of knowing all and some actually giving you a potion, a book, a rosary, a "Naam", a "WORD", etc., as a way to get it all as they walk to the Bank or turn you into a slave, disciple or follower.

So in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and in our Guru ji's teachings there is great direction so that we may neither seek nor be so mislead or lied to or be taken in.

Sat Sri Akal.

prakash.s.bagga · #34 (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 00:15 AM

We should always try to know and stick to the great direction What GuRu ji is giving us.
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Are we really doing that.?
Prakash.S.Bagga

Luckysingh · #35 (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

I would certainly agree to the last kine of your message.
Would you please make me clear how understanding is different from knowing and defining.?
My understanding is otherwise I think you can understand what you know and define.How one can understand anything which can not be known and defined.?

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakashji,
Understanding is different from knowing, this is confusing you maybe, but it's not too difficult, I think.

Understanding the lord's creation is a reason why we are on this forum.
We understand that there is a One Almighty. But we don't know him or it, we know of this creator. Do you follow this ?
In the same way, we understand Guru Nanak's message and teachings, or we try to understand. BUT, we don't know him, we don't liase with him. We could never know what his actions or next steps would be even if we were in that time era, could we.
His teachings, his work, is what is important and ALL we need to know. Knowing him or knowing which side of the bed he gets out is not important and we would never know..
Do you understand what I mean ?
In the same way this is what I was saying about 'naam'
It's the understanding that is important, not the chasing to know exactly what it is. It's a huge concept, like I said.

I think may be you get confused with this grammar and vocab as you seem to try and define and 'know' the WORD.
When, I think, all we need is to UNDERSTAND not 'KNOW' of it as such.
This is just my view of where I think your approach sometimes may seem unnecessary to others as they may feel that they 'understand' without applying your theoritical approach.This is how I have said earlier that I feel.. I get the same message and essence from bani wether I use your approach or not, maybe it's just me!!!
**This is just my personal opinion, bhul chuk marf***

Waheguru
Lucky Singh

prakash.s.bagga · #36 (**permalink**) 06-May-2012, 10:33 AM

LUCKY SINGH Ji,
I agree with your the concept of understanding and knowing.We may understand but we may not be knowing as with the teachings of GuRu Nanak ji as example.
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The above concept is applicable when we take into consideration Guru Nanak in physical Form and his teachings as different.
But in context of Gurbanee the situation is entirely different, here one can know Guru Nanak as well as teachings of Nanak.
This is smething different from what we generally think.?
Prakash.S.Bagga