The World of Words by I J Singh

prakash.s.bagga · #28 (**permalink**) 18-May-2012, 00:57 AM

MANDEMEET Ji,

For understanding How Gurbanee is TARANG of all divine Noun Words not only for the word HAri alone but for other words too. ,You will have to understand What Gurbanee really is refered as?

I think we understant Gurbanee as Guru(Not clarified whether this word Guru is with matra of Aukad or Dulakad,I think this is for Word Gur with matra of Dulakad as we are always eliminating the matra of Aukad while writing in Roman)

If you carefully see a Quote which is generally given that Banee is Guru and Guru is Banee you will find we are grossly mistaken for this.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/38190-the-world-words-i-j-singh.html

In fact the Quote is clealy telling that Banee is GuRu(Word GuR with matra of Aukad)
So if you can understand the difference in the words GuRoo/GuRu/GuR and their relationship I think it should be clear for you How Gurbanee is TARANG of Divine Noun words.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38190

Prakash.s.Bagga

mandemeet · #29 (**permalink**) 18-May-2012, 08:10 AM

Respected Parkash Singh ji
Guru fateh!

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38190
Accept my many thanks for opening up and not answering my questions. If you don’t want to share with SPN Sangat your divine knowledge in detail you got about Gurbani, what can I do? Once I thought you will show us the diamond you have found in Gurbani, but I have concluded, as you have ignored my vital questions, that it is not going to happen. I wish you good luck on your pursuit. I personally use Gurbani grammar to see the exact usage of the word in different contexts for more clarity.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38190
With regards
mandemeet

prakash.s.bagga · #30 (**permalink**) 18-May-2012, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandemeet

Respected Parkash Singh ji
Guru fateh!

Accept my many thanks for opening up and not answering my questions. If you don’t want to share with SPN Sangat your divine knowledge in detail you got about Gurbani, what can I do? Once I thought you will show us the diamond you have found in Gurbani, but I have concluded, as you have ignored my vital questions, that it is not going to happen. I wish you good luck on your pursuit. I personally use Gurbani grammar to see the exact usage of the word in different contexts for more clarity.
With regards
mandemeet

I am impressed with your approach and the way you try to see the exact usage of the word in different comtexts for more clarity.
If you feel that i have avoided to answer your questions you are mistaken .I find you intelligent enough for knowing the meanings of Gurbanee indications for your answers.These indications I have mentioned in my previous post.Knowing themeanings of these two indications you may get the answers to all your questions.
The fact is that in Gurbanee the meanings of these indications are clarified in different way.It is only a question of paying attention to them.
Further I feel............................
The answer to your further questions requires interaction right from A of Gurbanee.For this you are always welcome to interact on mypersonal ID as psbagga@sms.co.in.Once we get to some common understanding we both can share with SPN sangat more effectively as I respect SPN sangat.
I think you can appreciate this what I mean.

Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga · #31 (**permalink**) 18-May-2012, 18:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandemeet

Respected Parkash Singh ji,

I appreciate your efforts to address these words. Let us remove confusion first; if a word is singular Masculine gender, how it can be singular feminine gender too. Your this statement clearly is a double statement totally away from specific category of a word; that will also make its application broad not restricted. Let me make my expression simpler; a word, which is described by a grammarian as Plural Masculine gender, can also be used as Singular feminine; that is what you mean? If so, then most important factor in understanding the word is its “CONTEXT” not forms after all.
I would appreciate if you give examples of Gur as Singular Musculine and Gur as Singular feminine. Kindly do not ignore this request.

MANDEMEET Ji.................................
I think the word GuR is PLURAL Masculine Gender or SINGULAR Feminine Gender I think that is what I have stated.

That is why I have given you a hint to get the understanding of combinations GuRoo-GuR and GuRu -GuR.............................
Here GuRoo is SINGULAR m/g and GuR is PLURAL m/g and similarly
GuRu is SINGULAR m/g and GuR is PLURAL m/g.

As such the word GuR as SINGULAR is Feminine Gender.

Prakash.S.Bagga

I can agree with that.

A single wave of Gurjoti is called a single wave; I can agree with that too, but what is the origin of that single wave? You must define that too.
.................................................. ......
From the analysis and understanding of GuRoo-GuR I am sure you may get to know this.

Prakash.S.Bagga

You mean where ever Guroo Gur words in a pair are used together in Gurbani, they refer to Gurjoti, am I write in understanding you?, If so, what is the difference between Gur (u) Gur(u) as a piar and Guroo Gur as a piar?

MANDEMEET Ji
Actually if you give a thinking to the grammar of the word GuRoo you will find thisword GuRoo is SINGULAR(Dwivachan) that to represent something two together so we also see that this word GuRoo can be equated as

GuRoo= <GuRu.GuRu>

Prakash.s.Bagga

When you say “a single way” of the word Guroo; you should also define what is “Guroo” is it referred to a Wave or many waves? If it is "many waves", what is its origin?

MANDEMEET Ji......

The word GuRoo is A SINGLE WORD being refered in Gurbanee as SABAD(u)

You can understand that the source of GuR JoTi as SINGLE WAVE OF THE WORD GuRoo is the WORD GuRoo itself.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Kindly answer my questions and then also proceed.
With Regards
mandemeet

I think I have tried to give the answer to your questions to the best of my knowledge.

Prakash.s.Bagga