Sabẖhū ko ras har ho / ਸਭਹੂ ਕੋ ਰਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਹੋ

Tejwant Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 11:36 AM

Bhagat Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

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I actually did respond later (as I said I would) but on a different thread. Though I felt you did not understand that response (either).

This makes no sense. If you had responded to it, then I would have read it. And now you are saying that you are sure that I have read it but did not understand it either. You being the judge and the jury here. Please give me the url and give me the right to decide whether I understand it or not. If I understand it differently or not, you will hear from me, but please do not judge others. Learn to ask questions if I have understood something you wrote which I specifically asked for.

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Anyway I am satisfied by your words in this thread that chanting and repeating "breed goodness in our hearts and souls".

I am glad you have changed your mind about parroting one or two words and call it a meditation which does not exist in Sikhi,.

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I also agree with your definition of Bhagat and Bhagati hence I don't find it a challenge.

Well, your definition of Bhagati was from the Hindu theology not from the Sikh point of view. I am happy to know that you have grasped the Sikhi idea of Bhagati now.

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Edit: One relationship to God can be that of a friend (soulbride with husband lord) or it can be that of a Master-disciple where the disciple surrenders himself and his narrow understanding of reality in exchange for the understanding of the Master. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in different parts appeals to many such relationships including the mother/father- child relationship as well. These are emotions one cultivates in order to obtain connection and union, in the Bhagati method.

Please quote Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which says for one to surrender. Please do not use the word from the literal translation but express it in your words about the word from the Shabad.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

Ambarsaria · #11 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 12:13 PM

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Please do not use the word from the literal translation but express it in your words about the word from the Shabad

Veer Tejwant Singh ji what is the sustaining remedy for this situation. Young and old alike are too tempted to take what comes easy. "Surrender" is mentioned 96 times at Srigranth.org. I checked couple of the citations and were very out of context. This is such a temptation though! Look at other traps on appearance of common others,

Meditate 1613
Surrender 96
Name 4970
Chant 1589

Very disturbing but I don't see a practical easy solution (

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Sat Sri Akal.

Tejwant Singh · #12 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2011, 22:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Veer Tejwant Singh ji what is the sustaining remedy for this situation. Young and old alike are too tempted to take what comes easy. "Surrender" is mentioned 96 times at Srigranth.org. I checked couple of the citations and were very out of context. This is such a temptation though! Look at other traps on appearance of common others,

Meditate 1613
Surrender 96
Name 4970
Chant 1589

Very disturbing but I don't see a practical easy solution (

).

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambarsaria ji,

Guru Fateh.

I totally agree with you that many words like surrender etc etc are used in the English literal translation even though the word in Gurmukhi is not what it says.

I will give you one more example and I explained it to the Sangat. The word Enraptured is used 74 times according to srigranth.org. The day I was explaining the Hukumnaama in the Gurdwara, this word flashed on the screen and we had visiting Councilmen/women from Las Vegas and Henderson the same day.

The meaning of the word in English is as follows:
Adj.1.enraptured - deeply moved; "sat completely still, enraptured by the music"; "listened with rapt admiration"; "rapt in reverie"Synonyms: rapt, captive

2.enraptured - feeling great rapture or delightSynonyms: ecstatic, rapturous, rhapsodic
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/enraptured

However, its origins are quite dreadful. It comes from the word Rapture which means Jesus' return and the judgement day for those who do not become Christians. In other words the Jews and others who do not convert to Christianity will be thrown in the bubbling cauldron and will die.

So this is what people will feel. They will be all enraptured when Jesus returns and all the non- believers are either converted or killed.

I explained to the Sangat the meaning of Rapture and after it was all over, the guests came to me and said they were surprised to see that on the screen because they knew the origin of the word.

On the other hand, the Gurdwara committee President told me not to mention if the translation is incorrect. In other words, let the devotees leave the Gurdwara, the way they came, with their heads in the sand.

The only solution is from great sevadaars like you. You are doing an excellent job in Sukhmani and now you have said that you have finished the Saloks of Sheikh Farid. In fact we do have another thread on it started by Astroboy ji in which lots of us pitched in. You should check that too if you have not already.

So, Sevadaars like you and others including myself should start using different words which have the right intentions of what our Gurus want us to learn.

This problem started when we let the Christian missionaries translate Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji with the Biblical slant and sad to say, their followers followed in the same manner and still do.

Hence, this forum should be the trailblazer to bring the true meaning from Gurmukhi to English and you are its flag bearer.

Thanks for all your help. You have no idea how much I appreciate it.

Regards

Tejwant Singh