Creator /God ਦਾਤਾ/ਰੱਬ in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Masculine or Feminine and What is the Significance?

TEJWANT SINGH Ji,
First of all I may make it clear that there is no claim that any interpretation from my side is going to be 100% correct.Since the judgement about the correctness of interpretation is to be made by a person with his own level of understanding.
Only thing is we can share our views to get the meanings of Gurbani verses as close to Gurmati way as possible.
You can understand that Gurbani interpretation is not an easy task it would require a lot of in depth knowledge of each and every word along with grammer implications.
I feel at this juncture if we can understand only Basics of Gurbani concept that should be enough.
I intend to continue sharing SABAD wherin Basics of Gurbani understanding is vital.
With regards
Prakash.S.Bagga

 
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TEJWANT SINGH Ji,
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You should agree to the fact that every word NOUN/Adjective word has meaning.
So we have to make use of the meanings avaiable as per Sources.
There is no question of liking or disliking by me for any word as sch.I respect all the words which can be used correctly for Gurbani words but its use should conform to the grammer of Gurbani.
Because we domt make use of the word Parmaatma as per grammer of the word.Using in a wrong way makes the meanings of Gurbani message incorrect.There are words like Parmaatamu/Parmaatam used in Gurbani correctly as per grammer.

We may not like the use of word LORD for reasons given in your post.But we may like to use the word GOD which can not be used for any reference in Gurani as per grammer of the word GOD. I understand the word GOD is a most respectable word in other philosophy for the creator.So I dorespect this word too but its use for any reference in Gurbani is not justified.
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With regards
Prakash.S.Bagga

Veer ji That is right , study what you have mined ,you are indeed blessed ,alas I know not how to mine ,so I have befriended the owner, in order that he may bless me with light duties.

Well said Spji...Was it easy to befriend? It seems the simplest way for a layman like me.

Prakash Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

You write:

I beg to differ with you. As you claim to know Gurbani grammar and as you have rightly said many times that without understanding grammar in Gurbani, one can not understand the message, so the interpretation coming from you is expected to be better than from any one of us here who do not understand the grammar as well. You have the unique talent that we do not possess.

But, now you are changing your tune for some reason. Anyone would expect the right interpretation so one can understand the Gurus', especially from yourself who understands the grammar otherwise understanding grammar becomes useless and futile if it is not applied in the right way, you have said this yourself many times.

1.But you have not shared your views. You have copied and pasted a distorted version of the English interpretation which I pointed out to you. With this the grammar's usage is distorted too.

I have asked you some questions based on your interpretation which you have not responded to. I will be waiting for the responses.

I totally agree with you.Exactly my point. The question arises Bagga ji, Why should it be easy?

Then how can posting distorted and incorrect English translations of Gurbani is right, especially from you who has deep knowledge of Gurbani grammar?

2.You are contradicting in your quotes marked number 1 and 2

Thanks for that, but if you want the Sangat to understand Gurbani based on your Gurbani's grammar knowledge, then it becomes your duty as a Sikh to you interpret the whole Shabad fully, in your own words in English and share it with us along with your grammar knowledge. It would be demeaning to Gurbani and to our Gurus to just pick and choose some words and it would not serve any purpose either to anyone as far as understanding Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji message is concerned. No one can eat the half cooked Roti.

So, I will be waiting for your own interpretations of these two Shabads that you chose showing us the grammar in them so we can learn from them and become better Sikhs. We need your SEVA in this.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

Prakash Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for your post.

You write:

I totally agree with you, that is why posting distorted and incorrect translations in English of Gurbani is doing disservice as mentioned in my previous post because then the usage of Noun/adjective in the incorrect and distorted version becomes incorrect too. I am sure you will agree with me on that.

I beg to differ with you. There are many sources available. The non distorted version can easily be used through the right sources.

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I do not want to get into a circular argument but those were exactly your words when Prof. Sahib Singh ji used Pramaatma to explain and interpret the meaning of Ik Ong Kaar. We have to use some words which are not in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru to make things easier for others and Prof. Sahib Singh has done a tremendous job in my view regarding this.

I agree. Thanks for pointing this out. Now it becomes your duty as a Sikh to do this SEVA of teaching us grammar by interpreting the whole Shabad, not picking and choosing some words of your fancy.

It was about the interpretation as mentioned before. Nothing to do with the words used in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru and Prof. Sahib Singh did not use this word instead of what is in the Gurbani in a verse. You know that.

That is why I only use Ik Ong Kaar or The Source. I do not use any other word.

I know, you disagree with me about my usage of Ik Ong Kaar because for you EKANKAAR is the right word which I tend to disagree with.

BTW, are you aware that there is a Radasoami sect managed by some white guys with the same name?

http://www.eckankar.org

Check it out.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

re: eckankar.org

I think you have this wrong Tejwantji, this looks like a firm of accountants

Harry ji,

Guru Fateh.

No it is not. But it takes a lot of money from its followers here is the full address:

http://www.eckankar.org/?source=goog...FQg1hwodUUbVNA

Tejwantji,

Well they look like accountants, I was expecting flowing hair, long beards, john lennon glasses
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I would find it hard to accept my leader as a man who looked like an accountant and was called Harold.....

sorry no reply needed, dont wish to go off topic